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Culture War Roundup for the week of December 25, 2023

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Is your main point of contention that vegans bundle together a lot of beliefs that should be independent, likely motivated by a core moral dislike of killing animals? Sure. But the vast majority of people do that; beliefs are tribal, and that's far from unique to vegans.

I'd be curious to see a link to the vegan post you mentioned; did he jump from point to point as you describe here, or did he focus on the (likely wrong) "veganism is good for high performance in sports" argument only to have a bunch of posters bring up unrelated points?

Is your main point of contention that vegans bundle together a lot of beliefs that should be independent, likely motivated by a core moral dislike of killing animals? Sure. But the vast majority of people do that; beliefs are tribal, and that's far from unique to vegans.

Vegans seem especially bad at this.

The other end of my social circle is rather MAGA. I can sit with them and discuss my many reservations about Donald Trump. For example, I usually say that I think he is hopelessly underinformed about foreign policy. In response, they sometimes disagree with me, citing things like the Abraham Accords. Usually they'll agree with me that he's terrible on foreign polic, but on balance, they prefer him to the alternatives.

I can have a productive discussion with them. They'll discuss the point at hand, and treat me with respect. With vegans, I get Gish Gallops, emotional appeals, shaming, and social desirability arguments.

My moral intuitions are closer to vegans than MAGA, but I find vegans so annoying I don't engage with them.

This appears to be the original link that I painstakingly spent several minutes of my valuable time looking up. (just kidding, my time isn't very valuable) https://www.themotte.org/post/476/culture-war-roundup-for-the-week/93520?context=8#context

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