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Wellness Wednesday for December 13, 2023

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What do you believe about consciousness?

  • If it's an illusion, death is just the illusion ending. I see little reason to believe it is an illusion though.
  • If it's an emergent property, something which atoms arranged in certain ways create, then "you" are unaffected if, for example, you are killed and a perfect copy created. In this case "you" die to the extent no other sufficiently similar human exists or will ever exist, anywhere in reality. This also implies "you" die temporarily if you get a head injury, get high, or even fall asleep. I see little reason to believe this, but if this is what you believe, I see little reason to not believe in alternate dimensions or anything similar. Maybe the Big Bounce is a thing, and after countless repetitions the atoms will align just right for "you" to appear again.
  • If souls exist, your soul is headed somewhere, and there's clearly a lot we don't understand about reality.

I think we are generally pretty overconfident about this stuff. It's much more certain that 1+1=2 than that death is the end. If death is the end, though, is coping even the right thing to do? It's horrible to imagine a conscious being just being snuffed out like that.

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