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Culture War Roundup for the week of November 20, 2023

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Stop the person driving? They suffer the effects of that, and it may even be "lose my job". Let them drive untreated? They may lose their life in a crash.

What are the odds of both scenarios? Stating it as an either or is very misleading... Lose your car you're probably going to lose your job. Leaving it untreated will increase you risk by how much? Very little I'd imagine...

I think a moderate compromise only makes sense when you have good data.

And I don't think the free market alone can solve that one.

I don't understand what this means aside from capitalism == bad. How about it should be difficult to take away the rights of people?

You show me where there is a divine right to drive a motor vehicle, and we can then talk about taking away rights.

Yes, it should be difficult to take away rights. But it should also be difficult to engage in behaviour that endangers others on the public roads.

You show me where there is a divine right to drive a motor vehicle, and we can then talk about taking away rights.

Let's bite this bullet: for many people in the world, especially in the United States, being able to drive from one's house to a different physical location is highly-correlated with being able to eat. In theory, driving is an optional system not critical to the basic functions of civilization. In practice, much of society is arranged around the automobile, which has given rise to entire movements whose slogan is "fuck cars."

So I would indeed argue that, so long as being able to exist in modern society relies on being able to drive, having one's legal ability to drive be abrogated is as drastic as a suspension of other rights guaranteed in the Amendments.

You show me where there is a divine right to drive a motor vehicle

Show me where there is a divine right to anything :marseyshrug:

Again, what are the odds of both (that was my point)

endangers others on the public roads.

What's the actual risk? Where do we draw the line line between safety and freedom? Going all or nothing on either side is silly.

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