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Culture War Roundup for the week of November 20, 2023

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Liberalism is largely a white invention, I would say one of the greatest of all white inventions.

Would you say that the invention of liberalism would make one people 'supreme'?

It is a bit contradictory to have the mindset of "we are better than those savages but you know what, we should act more like they do when it comes to matters of race and immigration!"

Conversely, isn't it a bit contradictory to have the mindset of "we are better than those savages who did not invent liberalism and live violent, backward lives filled with sexism, homophobia, xenophobia, but you know what, we should let them all in and then complain when they act exactly like they did before we invited them in"?

Oh and one more "we are better than those savages who do not believe in liberalism (white nationalists), therefore we should ban them from participating in all the liberal institutions".

This converse you are talking about is not the position of the liberal consensus that white nationalism is up against, though; rather, it sounds like some form of straw "anti-white nationalism". Consensus liberals reject the idea that liberalism or other desirable qualities have anything to do with racial or genetic background at all, and instead consider them entirely cultural, and moreover believe in the missionary quality/persuasiveness of their own viewpoint. Admitting people from illiberal cultures into their midst of therefore good, as it will make it likely that those people or their descendants will convert to liberalism; also, shunning white nationalists is good, because these people carry some rare set of memes that evidently conveys resistance to conversion despite exposure to liberal ideas.

Compare how medieval Christianity, despite being convinced of its superiority, travelled around the world and sought to deepen its relationship with pagan peoples (whether by trade or colonialism), effectively bringing them into its cultural fold, while at the same time treating internal witches and heretics harshly.

I think you're referring to Roman Catholicism, not Christianity which was able to live along with Muslims, Jews, pagans in relative peace for centuries and still to this day in the Middle-East.

Liberalism is a product of Roman Catholicism, or perhaps the new version of it, in which propagating the imperial ideology is more important than each individual's actual salvation/well-being.

these people carry some rare set of memes that evidently conveys resistance to conversion despite exposure to liberal ideas.

Is that the actual liberal position on white nationalism?

As a Roman Catholic, I'll concede that you're not wrong, but also feel the need to quibble.

Modern Liberalism is more accurately understood as an offshoot of Protestantism, specifically the Calvinist school of Protestantism, that was in turn an offshoot of Roman (IE Western) Catholicism.

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