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Pure technicality. Trump's ban didn't ban literal practicing terrorists. If I just couch what is effectively a muslim ban in terms of an 'anti-terrorist proposal', that makes it ok?
But, it was not an effective Muslim ban. It did not apply to the countries where 90+ pct of the world's Muslims live. And see my edit re poll respondents distinguishing between the specific ban and a hypothetical actual Muslim ban.
The polls are contradictory, people are just saying general things that sound good, their beliefs are incoherent. Looks to me like some cosmetic adjustments would be enough to pass the muslim ban under another name. That would be the recommended strategy based on the facts of the case, from a politician's pov.
People don’t want to feel like they’re banning an entire group or religion, even if they effectively do. Of course it’s complete horseshit on principle and I despise it. Not least because making it clear exactly why they are not welcome is part of my strategy to help the muslim world (and the rest with it). This is enabling, and allows this sort of pious nonsense to fester:
Doesn't that rather reinforce my point about values?
You keep making this claim about the executive order, without any evidence, and despite all the evidence to the contrary.
Could you expand on why you (or people) think the trump ban is justified under 'core values' principles, but not the muslim ban using a similar loophole?
I can't speak for other people, but as I have noted, the Trump ban was not a religion-based ban. It wasn't even really a blanket ban on "people from countries that support terrorism." Here is how the Supreme Court described the Trump ban:
And, even if it were a blanket ban on "people from countries that support terrorism," there is a vast difference between a) these people might be dangerous because they are from countries that support terrorism; and b) "these people might be dangerous because they are Muslims."
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