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Culture War Roundup for the week of September 19, 2022

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Whats the alt right? Personally I would include the motte as alt-right. I thought the alt right included a lot of groups and not just the bad Charlottesville hard core racists. I’ve always included the pick up artist community in the alt right for example.

The premise of alt-right is that the non-alt Right, with its dictums of sovereign individual, race-blindness, low taxes and such, does not represent them and has no incentive to, and is particularly disinterested in addressing their collective existential concerns – chiefly anti-white racism spanning the spectrum from zoological prejudice to nuanced denunciation of white-coded but not clearly ethnically contingent cultural traits and value systems, pro-immigration policy driven by this same anti-white and anti-Republican sentiment, and «Weimar-style» social decay aggressively promoted by mainstream Democrats mainly due to nudging from ever-changing, hard to pin down ideological movements on leftist fringes labeled as Frankfurt school, something something Marxism, CRT, whatever. In a sense, alt-right was an intuitive attempt to emulate such dynamics on the right, only starting with grassroots.

The overwhelming majority of those who got dragged by the alt-right/dissident right wave around 2016 were not edgelords by their nature, and did not wish to go to the extremes: they were disaffected Republicans. Their inchoate sympathy for designated enemies of the liberal West (Putin, Kim, Orban) was also informed by this disaffection. The edginess of firebrands, too, is nothing unusual historically: new European Right is the same, as have been dozens of radical movements in Israel, where the preoccupation with existential threats and liberal traitors carrying water for committed enemies is embedded deep into the collective psyche. In Europe and more so in Israel, however, there exists an explicit way of negotiating a compromise. It's called parliamentarian democracy.

In the US, these people were offered a cope-out in the form of Trumpism and, seeing as he was recognized by both wings of the Establishment as a threat, gladly accepted. Now that this attempt has failed and Trumpism is discredited, they're being sold on DeSantis.

I’ve always included the pick up artist community in the alt right for example.

But why?. The mayority may lean right in the politics spectrum, but there must be a sizable left population in that community, right?.

They popularized females as having I guess you would call it a hive mind. They promoted gender differences an alt right position. And found females to be psychologically pliable.

They might not be right on say abortion or taxes etc but in terms of gender differences they are extremely alt right.

By those terms, feminist professors declaring their undying hatred of men but who disagree with transgerism would also be included in the alt right.

(And they are. I have heard more than one young feminist describe ters as alt right or far right.)

They promoted gender differences an alt right position.

Do you mean sex differences here? because gender differences or differences in gender roles is a mainly Leftist Idea, so it reads really weird if you mean that.

No clue what your talking about. Left seems to promote that there aren’t gender differences. Right promotes things like male masculinity and female staying at home etc.

why are you conflating sex with gender (Gender roles)?

Just proved my point.

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Please flesh out comments like this a bit before making them; this isn't meant as a place for low-effort dunks.

Can you answer my question instead of saying meaningless pithy remarks?

Aren’t they the same thing

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