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Culture War Roundup for the week of October 30, 2023

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You think the Dems will go that far versus just being an election stunt? Regardless of whether he was guilty or not it looks like a huge issue for Democracy if they put him in jail before the election.

Short answer: Yes.

Long answer: Who do you think is going to be the decision maker who stops this ball rolling? Do you think Jack Smith is going to suddenly drop the charges? Do you think Tanya Chutkin is going to just dismiss the case out of hand? And if so on what legal basis? Do you think the DC-based jury, pulling from a jurisdiction that voted 92-5 against Trump, is going to give Trump a pass after all the Jan 6 trials got convictions?

None of that is happening. The best case scenario for Trump is he somehow gets one diehard MAGA person on the panel to hang the jury.

"Are we really going to do this?" is a serious decision. But you don't make that decision when the trial is already underway, you make it before you bring charges. In large part that's what the Jan 6 Committee was about - not so much convincing the public that Trump was a crook, but pressuring the DoJ to pull the trigger on prosecuting him and putting him in prison.

All the choices have been made. We're now just watching them play out. It's not a stunt, they are coming to bury him.

Who would stop them? Biden/Blinken/top members of the Democrats. Tell them to pause or shut things down.

Why?

The system would be ungovernable if Trump is in jail and we have him as the GOP candidate. If he loses say with 48% of the vote then GOP has cause to break the entire system. The entire system works because of voluntary compliance. If you end that then nothing works and prosecuting Trump gives you justification. Secession becomes quite justifiable if they remove half the countries ability to participate in Democracy. It would be 1860 again. Would be equally as bad if Trump wins from prison (highly likely). Or you could see Desantis refuse extradition which he would be justified in doing.

I’d think the adults in the room like Blinken get this. And it’s a stunt. Because the alternative can’t happen.

I’d think the adults in the room like Blinken get this. And it’s a stunt. Because the alternative can’t happen.

Where do you put the odds on it happening without their say so?

Lol, Biden is not going to save Trump. You're delusional.

That seems very Danerys Targaryen of wanting to rule over the ashes. It’s not saving “Trump” it’s maintaining some part of America and Democracy.

You don’t think jailing a likely Presidential winner during an election is a constitutional crisis and an attempt to disenfranchise a significant part of the electorate?

Not to channel the Nybbler, but they will jail Trump because they believe they can easily crush any scattered dissent and win. And they may very well be right.

I am extremely confident Biden will not see it that way.

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