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PaperclipPerfector  1yr ago (text post)   2387 thread views

Wellness Wednesday for October 25, 2023

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I'd believe it. You're getting pushback but it's all in the form of "trust me bro".

I was watching a Youtube video from Jeff Nippard yesterday. He said it's possible for an untrained person to gain 15 pounds of lean muscle mass in a single MONTH using steroids.

So it's clear that the results of using steroids are simply miles above what you can get naturally.

Many people with good genetics will have decent (not elite) strength without working out. Steroids could take this to an even higher level. Low confidence but I would bet on a steroids user with 1 workout per month outperforming a non-steroids user with 3 workouts a week.

I'd believe it. You're getting pushback but it's all in the form of "trust me bro".

I'd take it more seriously if the people in question had tried tren themselves and then asked me to reconsider, but so far nobody has copped to it in public or DMs.

I'm even more perplexed that people thought I was advocating that you just take steroids and sit around, come on people, there's a use-mention distinction to be made there.

Many people with good genetics will have decent (not elite) strength without working out.

And look at the lucky bastards with myostatin knockout mutations, they're maximally buff without lifting an ounce in their lives! In the ancestral environment, that would have been a bad idea with a BMR of like 4000 calories, but a shortage of calories is not what ails the majority of humanity.

Sadly, this is about the best that can be expected, epistemic around topics like these are dubious in general.

And look at the lucky bastards with myostatin knockout mutations

This cow has never lifted a single weight in its life.

Sadly, this is about the best that can be expected, epistemic around topics like these are dubious in general.

I really want to see data now. Steroids vs training, which works better? My money is on steroids, but low confidence. All the people saying that "steroids don't work unless you train" are just making assertions with zero data and can be ignored.

That link seems to be broken for me? But yeah, those cows can get beefy, pun intended.

Fixed the link.

Look in the other comments, someone linked a paper:

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199607043350101

And indeed, steroids make you gain muscle without exercise, though you obviously make more when you combine the two.

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