naraburns nihil supernum
1yr ago
(text post)
30264 thread views
Israel-Gaza Megathread #2
This is a refreshed megathread for any posts on the conflict between (so far, and so far as I know) Hamas and the Israeli government, as well as related geopolitics. Culture War thread rules apply.
I clicked thru the organizations power point for talking points. In their chants they don’t have “from the river to the sea” they have “from Palestine to Mexico” and from “Palestine to the Philippines”.
The kids could be dumb. And even if they know what it means it’s the adults training them who are far more culpable. I think I fairly claim the two phrases I listed are dog whistles for river to sea. The organization I’m going to assume did give them river to sea in non published material and are fully aware of what it means.
There’s certainly an organization behind the message that is giving it to the kids or spreading it on tick-tock who 100% know what they are selling.
The Sharpton rehabilitation etc I have strong suspicion that the ADL has been playing with these groups and it well it sort of backfired on their primary mission. Training people who actually hate you.
As far as culpability I wouldn’t punish high school students. They just haven’t put enough thoughts in their head yet to make distinctions. College kids are getting their but exploring some heretical ideas is ok. Both of these groups get some training as punishment. The adults and law school students especially from elite backgrounds should be able to make these distinctions.
This website is a place for people who want to move past shady thinking and test their ideas in a
court of people who don't all share the same biases. Our goal is to
optimize for light, not heat; this is a group effort, and all commentators are asked to do their part.
The weekly Culture War threads host the most
controversial topics and are the most visible aspect of The Motte. However, many other topics are
appropriate here. We encourage people to post anything related to science, politics, or philosophy;
if in doubt, post!
Check out The Vault for an archive of old quality posts.
You are encouraged to crosspost these elsewhere.
Why are you called The Motte?
A motte is a stone keep on a raised earthwork common in early medieval fortifications. More pertinently,
it's an element in a rhetorical move called a "Motte-and-Bailey",
originally identified by
philosopher Nicholas Shackel. It describes the tendency in discourse for people to move from a controversial
but high value claim to a defensible but less exciting one upon any resistance to the former. He likens
this to the medieval fortification, where a desirable land (the bailey) is abandoned when in danger for
the more easily defended motte. In Shackel's words, "The Motte represents the defensible but undesired
propositions to which one retreats when hard pressed."
On The Motte, always attempt to remain inside your defensible territory, even if you are not being pressed.
New post guidelines
If you're posting something that isn't related to the culture war, we encourage you to post a thread for it.
A submission statement is highly appreciated, but isn't necessary for text posts or links to largely-text posts
such as blogs or news articles; if we're unsure of the value of your post, we might remove it until you add a
submission statement. A submission statement is required for non-text sources (videos, podcasts, images).
Culture war posts go in the culture war thread; all links must either include a submission statement or
significant commentary. Bare links without those will be removed.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
Notes -
I clicked thru the organizations power point for talking points. In their chants they don’t have “from the river to the sea” they have “from Palestine to Mexico” and from “Palestine to the Philippines”.
The kids could be dumb. And even if they know what it means it’s the adults training them who are far more culpable. I think I fairly claim the two phrases I listed are dog whistles for river to sea. The organization I’m going to assume did give them river to sea in non published material and are fully aware of what it means.
There’s certainly an organization behind the message that is giving it to the kids or spreading it on tick-tock who 100% know what they are selling.
The Sharpton rehabilitation etc I have strong suspicion that the ADL has been playing with these groups and it well it sort of backfired on their primary mission. Training people who actually hate you.
As far as culpability I wouldn’t punish high school students. They just haven’t put enough thoughts in their head yet to make distinctions. College kids are getting their but exploring some heretical ideas is ok. Both of these groups get some training as punishment. The adults and law school students especially from elite backgrounds should be able to make these distinctions.
More options
Context Copy link