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Israel-Gaza Megathread #2
This is a refreshed megathread for any posts on the conflict between (so far, and so far as I know) Hamas and the Israeli government, as well as related geopolitics. Culture War thread rules apply.
Can we start bombing them for not actively fighting the government?
I've heard "Silence is Violence" enough to try on the horseshoe.
If your government freezes elections after coming to power, and you disagree strongly with the actions of that government, you:
Have the responsibility to resist
Must prepare for the consequences of their actions being ascribed to you
As an American white male, it's perhaps not fair that I'd be targeted by Muslim terror organizations for our government's actions in the Middle East. Especially since I've resisted this insofar as any voter who moonlights as a political speaker at social events. Nor is it fair that I face disparate amounts of interracial violence supposedly as a result of perceived structural racism. But because I didn't resist these things strongly enough, I do have to be prepared for those consequences.
This is not the same as saying it's just or even reasonable for those actions to be ascribed to you.
Yes - and I specifically state the opposite. This whole thread is about what's fair, what's not, and what is the reality of inter-group violence/resistance. For Israel and Palestine, these governments and pseudo-governments' subjects are considered a single group.
How many Americans despise foreign interference? How many whites aren't racist? My guess would be a plurality and a significant majority, respectively. Which proportion justifies violence against the group? How many Palestinians want to wipe Israel off the map?
Those are a lot of question marks. I think the Palestinians should be doing more to vocalize against and sabotage the actions of their organized terrorist groups.
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I've heard "Silence is Violence" enough to try on the horseshoe.
If your government freezes elections after coming to power, and you disagree strongly with the actions of that government, you:
As an American white male, it's perhaps not fair that I'd be targeted by Muslim terror organizations for our government's actions in the Middle East. Especially since I've resisted this insofar as any voter who moonlights as a political speaker at social events. Nor is it fair that I face disparate amounts of interracial violence supposedly as a result of perceived structural racism. But because I didn't resist these things strongly enough, I do have to be prepared for those consequences.
"I will apply your morality interpreted by me upon you for you-defined-by-me" is one of the most tribalistic things out there. Don't fall for it.
This is not the same as saying it's just or even reasonable for those actions to be ascribed to you.
Yes - and I specifically state the opposite. This whole thread is about what's fair, what's not, and what is the reality of inter-group violence/resistance. For Israel and Palestine, these governments and pseudo-governments' subjects are considered a single group.
How many Americans despise foreign interference? How many whites aren't racist? My guess would be a plurality and a significant majority, respectively. Which proportion justifies violence against the group? How many Palestinians want to wipe Israel off the map?
Those are a lot of question marks. I think the Palestinians should be doing more to vocalize against and sabotage the actions of their organized terrorist groups.
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