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Culture War Roundup for the week of October 16, 2023

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Why does the man have the responsibility to look into the future and use his good judgment, when the woman couldn’t be bothered/failed to do so?

As I think I stated pretty clearly, my view is that both parties share some responsibility and how much each one is responsible depends on the details of the situation. When people are extremely drunk they often make bad decisions. Of course they are responsible for making those bad decisions, but if you abet them then you are also responsible. And even more so if you knowingly abet their bad decisions for your own benefit.

I don't think I'm saying anything too crazy or that most people would even argue with if sex and gender weren't involved.

And I reject that view. If you drink and (agree to) do something, it is strictly your responsibility.

I mean if that's really your view then I guess I probably can't argue you out of it. But it honestly seems kind of strange to me. Suppose that your friend gets really drunk and wants to drive his car. Assume for the sake of the thought experiment that he's going to drive it on a totally deserted road so there's no risk of him hurting other people. You think it would be funny to watch him drive his car drunk so you give him his keys when he asks. He then crashes his car and gets badly hurt. Do you really mean to say that his injury is strictly his responsibility and you have no blame at all?

Yes, unless he gave me his keys specifically so that I would refuse to hand them over if he’s drunk.

If I’m not there, he’s still going to crash the car, so it’s not my responsibility. Now in real life of course I would try to stop him, drive him there myself etc. But ultimately it’s not my decision. Am I supposed to beat him up if he insists?

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