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Israel-Gaza Megathread #1
This is a megathread for any posts on the conflict between (so far, and so far as I know) Hamas and the Israeli government, as well as related geopolitics. Culture War thread rules apply.
Israel isn’t going to change its ethnat policies because some Norwegian politician cries on TV about Gaza
I don't care about Israel. Sure it's sad if some Israelis die brutally but it's not really my problem.
It does matter when my local government asks me to send money to Israel to fight their problems on their behalf.
If they could get over their hatred of Jews, they’d realize that amplifying Israeli rhetoric about savage barbarians etc would be far more likely to turn European populations against mass immigration (“it could happen here soon enough”).
We already did the 'fight Middle-East wars on behalf of Israel' gig and all that's got us is migrants, terrorist attacks, and more authoritarian governments suppressing right-wing political expression.
Plenty of Western leaders have called foreigners 'savages' but all that's got them is to be labelled some variation of 'nazi' aided by the media-intelligence-NGO apparatus, to be banned from media or to be criminally prosecuted.
Don't you wish you had an American President ready to label Palestine a 'shithole' country?
The only way for Western countries to stop the migrant flow is for Westerners to stop letting them in and have hard, authoritarian measures against foreigners and pro-natives.
If the same people crying about Hamas right now would have stopped crying about Trump, nazis, fascism, Charlottesville, Jan 6, AfD, Golden Dawn... Maybe I'd care.
Now all I can say is #OpenBordersforIsrael
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I don't care about Israel. Sure it's sad if some Israelis die brutally but it's not really my problem.
It does matter when my local government asks me to send money to Israel to fight their problems on their behalf.
We already did the 'fight Middle-East wars on behalf of Israel' gig and all that's got us is migrants, terrorist attacks, and more authoritarian governments suppressing right-wing political expression.
Plenty of Western leaders have called foreigners 'savages' but all that's got them is to be labelled some variation of 'nazi' aided by the media-intelligence-NGO apparatus, to be banned from media or to be criminally prosecuted.
Don't you wish you had an American President ready to label Palestine a 'shithole' country?
The only way for Western countries to stop the migrant flow is for Westerners to stop letting them in and have hard, authoritarian measures against foreigners and pro-natives. If the same people crying about Hamas right now would have stopped crying about Trump, nazis, fascism, Charlottesville, Jan 6, AfD, Golden Dawn... Maybe I'd care. Now all I can say is #OpenBordersforIsrael
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