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Israel-Gaza Megathread #1
This is a megathread for any posts on the conflict between (so far, and so far as I know) Hamas and the Israeli government, as well as related geopolitics. Culture War thread rules apply.
To be honest 100-200 billion would be cheap for the west to just settle this issue forever. 40-80k a head which is enough to build a cheap house plus some startup cash. The question is who would take them.
It’s sort of funny but Russia is depopulated and has handled these populations like Chechens well would be the most logical place to send them.
This has the usual issues with some policies like this that might work (or at least help): getting enough political inertia to get it through, if it doesn't happen in the background, seems like it would probably just result in them sending more money over the next time there's issues (and then for more projects as well). That's not necessarily bad for some viewpoints, but I think is hard to avoid..
The current situation with the PA has already arguably been finding the most amenable local warlord and working with them. Nevertheless, whilst Russians cater to Kadyrov in a great variety of ways, the Israelis can't help but repeatedly teabag and humiliate their warlord, Abbas, and make him look like a scrub, which is a major reason as to why Hamas keeps being popular.
It took two Chechen Wars before "handling Chechens" became an attractive option, I recall. If you want to inflict that on Russia again, I'm taking your based trad right card away.
Money won't solve this. The EU tried building water pipes in Gaza and the pipes just ended up being repurposed as homemade missiles. You can't solve this by sending money to someone who cares more about killing you than they care about making a good life for themselves.
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To be honest 100-200 billion would be cheap for the west to just settle this issue forever. 40-80k a head which is enough to build a cheap house plus some startup cash. The question is who would take them.
It’s sort of funny but Russia is depopulated and has handled these populations like Chechens well would be the most logical place to send them.
Hell, a trillion bucks wouldn't be a bad price to pay. For what it's worth it wouldn't be bad if the US took a bunch of 'em too.
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This has the usual issues with some policies like this that might work (or at least help): getting enough political inertia to get it through, if it doesn't happen in the background, seems like it would probably just result in them sending more money over the next time there's issues (and then for more projects as well). That's not necessarily bad for some viewpoints, but I think is hard to avoid..
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Israel can handle Palestinians the way Russia handled Chechens just fine on its own:
The current situation with the PA has already arguably been finding the most amenable local warlord and working with them. Nevertheless, whilst Russians cater to Kadyrov in a great variety of ways, the Israelis can't help but repeatedly teabag and humiliate their warlord, Abbas, and make him look like a scrub, which is a major reason as to why Hamas keeps being popular.
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It took two Chechen Wars before "handling Chechens" became an attractive option, I recall. If you want to inflict that on Russia again, I'm taking your based trad right card away.
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Money won't solve this. The EU tried building water pipes in Gaza and the pipes just ended up being repurposed as homemade missiles. You can't solve this by sending money to someone who cares more about killing you than they care about making a good life for themselves.
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If it was that cheap even Israel could pay it over time. They don’t want to go though and Egypt and Jordan don’t want them, even for that money.
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