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Israel-Gaza Megathread #1
This is a megathread for any posts on the conflict between (so far, and so far as I know) Hamas and the Israeli government, as well as related geopolitics. Culture War thread rules apply.
But...isnt' Egypt participating in this open air imprisonment?
Yes. And so what? Do you honestly think the Egyptians would still be blockading Gaza if not for Israel and its willful influence? Like what's your mental model of a hypothetical world where there is no Israel but still a Gaza like situation and Egypt. How and why do you figure the Egyptians would still try to blockade Gaza of their own independent will?
What you really seem to be doing here is trying desperately to downplay or remove Israeli agency and moral ownership of their own sippenhaft blockade. Because obviously it's kind of bad propaganda and morally difficult if you're unblinkingly honest about it. Israel isn't really doing what it's doing, others are too! Yes they are doing what they set out to do.
Let us consider the case of the Mavi Marmara aka the "Freedom Flotilla." (Side note: if you don't know what this is and have free time to kill I would advise to skim watch the raw video I provided or find a similar undoctored and uncut version of the original on the ground live broadcast. Come to your own conclusion before you read about it and get a narrative fed to you. You might run into moments where you will say "hey that's not so nice of those brownie muslamics" but they will be your own honest opinions. That's very precious.) One of the OG media blackpilling moments, for me. In it a flotilla of boats checked before hand for any weapons like guns tried to run through the blockade on Gaza to symbolically provide random supplies like children's books. The IDF intercepted with violent force and shot/executed 9 demonstrators. For the crime of independently exchanging goods freely among actors the Israeli state used lethal violent force. All well 13 years before current events.
Who forced Israel to do this? No one. It's a very obvious demonstration of a serious will to blockade and economically starve Gazans. Israel means to do what it is doing. Gaza is an open air blockaded prison because Israel and Israel alone is working hard and killing to make it that way.
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Yes. And so what? Do you honestly think the Egyptians would still be blockading Gaza if not for Israel and its willful influence? Like what's your mental model of a hypothetical world where there is no Israel but still a Gaza like situation and Egypt. How and why do you figure the Egyptians would still try to blockade Gaza of their own independent will?
What you really seem to be doing here is trying desperately to downplay or remove Israeli agency and moral ownership of their own sippenhaft blockade. Because obviously it's kind of bad propaganda and morally difficult if you're unblinkingly honest about it. Israel isn't really doing what it's doing, others are too! Yes they are doing what they set out to do.
Let us consider the case of the Mavi Marmara aka the "Freedom Flotilla." (Side note: if you don't know what this is and have free time to kill I would advise to skim watch the raw video I provided or find a similar undoctored and uncut version of the original on the ground live broadcast. Come to your own conclusion before you read about it and get a narrative fed to you. You might run into moments where you will say "hey that's not so nice of those brownie muslamics" but they will be your own honest opinions. That's very precious.) One of the OG media blackpilling moments, for me. In it a flotilla of boats checked before hand for any weapons like guns tried to run through the blockade on Gaza to symbolically provide random supplies like children's books. The IDF intercepted with violent force and shot/executed 9 demonstrators. For the crime of independently exchanging goods freely among actors the Israeli state used lethal violent force. All well 13 years before current events.
Who forced Israel to do this? No one. It's a very obvious demonstration of a serious will to blockade and economically starve Gazans. Israel means to do what it is doing. Gaza is an open air blockaded prison because Israel and Israel alone is working hard and killing to make it that way.
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