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Culture War Roundup for the week of September 25, 2023

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People wanted to know who was responsible the day of.

Unfortunately we can't test that. But the reason I believe in my model is that things as shocking as 9/11 I've seen happen elsewhere in countries where a war on terror wasn't in the interests of the ruling class, and those somehow failed to materialize the will for such a thing despite clearly fertile ground.

Most other countries cannot do what the US did.

Many felt great emotion, who ended up to blame was, is, and will always be up to who holds real power. I bet you could even convince Americans to turn on themselves if CNN kept saying 9/11 was their own fault insistently enough and you had hard power. Mao did that shit many times.

I'll reiterate that Saddam would probably have lived were it not for specific neocon interests. And I don't see how you can reconcile that with the theory of popular sovereignty unless you take the people for a naive mob led around by the nose, which circles you indubitably to my position.

If this was just a huge tantrum of the people, how come it always lands on elite designated targets, and how can you claim the people are a meaningful political entity and not just a mob?

I continue to be unsure of how much you remember, but the invasion of Iraq took place almost two years after 9/11, with a lot of focus on things other than that event to justify the invasion to the people, like WMDs.

The invasion of Afghanistan took place a month after 9/11 and that absolutely was an expression of outrage by the country.

It was an expression of pictures of Osama on TV is what it was. And the fact replacing those pictures with those of some other dude who was very questionably related didn't dull the effect any is what I'm pointing at.

But you're not addressing the core of my argument any here because I don't think you can. Other pictures could have been put there by people who actually hold power, and that's what matters.

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