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PaperclipPerfector  1yr ago (text post)   2619 thread views

Wellness Wednesday for September 20, 2023

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That young women want male attention, and that young men are interested in young women, was as true in 1923 or 1823 or 1023 as it is in 2023. What has changed is that young women are expected to put out for those men's sexual gratification in way they weren't historically. As @raggedy_anthem said last week, it's unclear how young women benefit from promiscuity - the young men in question probably aren't going to prioritize or care about their pleasure, they risk sexually transmitted diseases, sexual (or other) violence and social stigma. The only reason they do it is 'attention', but again, a pretty young woman got that from men long before the sexual revolution in every society on earth, so this hardly requires promiscuity. What happened was a race to the bottom, in which women were encouraged to trade their bodies to ever greater degrees to attempt to get the same thing (a stable relationship with a decent man) that they always wanted and which they had previously been able to get without debasing themselves to anywhere near the same extent.

I don't really disagree with any of this.

Even though I contest the notion that the plural option a good woman has to be with a man is to debase herself. Because in my view it's like all the woman has to do to avoid that is say "I really like you and want to continue this, but let's take it slowly". If he is a "decent man" this ought to work.

But I wouldn't hold my breath on this.

There is no 'individual solution' to the sexual revolution.

I would say there is no solution to anything ever but individual solutions done a million times over.

More on this later.

But while you can live a good life in a rotten culture, as a society, this isn't really a solution

I would go as far as to say there exists no solution at all.

My highest probability event is if something crazy like an AI-powered VR revolution AND mass cloning or something doesn't happen, then the problem solves itself in a few generations. High TFR groups outbreed low TFR groups and... problem solved! Some rotten cultures by definition won't last forever, survival is the terminal goal at the most microscopic level.

It's hard to predict how culture is going to develop, but I don't want many more generations of young women to grow up thinking they owe it to men to have sex with them for fleeting attention, and so one of my hopes from these movements (and associated tiktok movements for young women etc) is that they help the next generation of girls think more carefully about whether they give in to pressure from men and boys to sleep with them without really thinking about it.

You are a lot more optimistic about these so-called movements than I am. And I think you are offering them an overly charitable reading.

The overwhelming majority of them are just repacked FDS shit. They don't say "you know putting out on the first date with a random isn't good for your soul", It's more like "don't put out for a broke nigga (the implication being it's ok to put out with "Chad")".

If you have any examples that are not terminally low IQ, feel free to share.

Indeed they may be rebuilding it wrong, but then again, 'traditional' religion and the conservative movement utterly failed to prevent the sexual revolution, so it's hard to see that as the 'solution' either.

Bringing things back never works. New problems need new solutions.

Ideally, we would (I hate to use this word but..) "empower" men.

  1. This means fixing the dating-related messaging given out everywhere. You might not realize how many lies are required to hold up this house of cards. That which can be destroyed by the truth must be! Be honest about women's K selectiveness and men's R selectiveness.

  2. Stop the constant girls rule boys drool messaging. Why the society-wide campaign to lower the status of half the population? Societies with high TFR actually respect men!

  3. Defeminize education.

.. You get the just.

But those will never happen so individual men self improoooooving it is for now.

I also vote for guys being chucked out into the Alaskan wilderness or some other life-and-death challenge, willingly undertaken. It'll harden the survivors up and we have what, 105 boys born per 100 girls? We can afford to lose a few of the biggest chumps.

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