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Culture War Roundup for the week of September 18, 2023

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This includes a lot of private conversations, in groups and one-on-one. And the character of them isn't at all 'thing i say because i have to for social acceptance'. A guy in college who's very happy about his first time, or bragging about his fourth, doesn't really remind me of 'the captive mind'.

I think I may have been a bit unclear when I spoke before and given more of a hostile or conspiratorial approach, when I think this is more a case of a fish not really perceiving water. I think that the vast majority of men don't get to the level of seriously interrogating their personal beliefs and attitudes on this topic, and instead act within the confines of the society and culture that they grew up in. To complain about the current order of things is largely seen as broadcasting either "I am a loser who fails to get laid" or (a very hyperbolic) "I am a hardline conservative who wants to institute white sharia".

I personally think the current system has a lot of problems, but that doesn't stop me from acting to optimise my success within it, and being happy when I do succeed. If you actually laid all the options out and got them to make an informed choice, I think the majority of men would opt for something other than the current dating market... but this is a rationalist forum and you know what a co-ordination problem is already.

If you actually laid all the options out and got them to make an informed choice, I think the majority of men would opt for something other than the current dating market

I agree in principle, but the 'inferential distance' between them and that choice are entire systems of moral philosophy so it's basically just saying 'i'm right, and people would agree if they were more correct'. Which, to be fair, is more or less true in this case.

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