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non_radical_centrist  1yr ago (astralcodexten.com)   2453 thread views

Book Review: Elon Musk[Scott Alexander]

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Scott Alexander’s review of a 2015 biography of Elon Musk. Elon Musk, to me, is one of the world’s most confusing people. He’s simultaneously both one of the smartest people in the world, creating billions of dollars of value in companies like Tesla and SpaceX, and one of the dumbest, in burning billions on Twitter. Scott’s review I think is a good explanation of what’s up with Musk.

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because there has been a years-long attempt by right-wingers to cast LGBT people and activism as intrinsically evil.

...Alternatively, right-wingers have been attempting to cast LGBT people as intrinsically opposed to coexistence with Christianity or any sort of traditional values. Which appears to be true, at least according to the vocal LGBT people driving policy. Or are we still pretending it's about what happens in the privacy of peoples' bedrooms?

Except Christians also believe themselves to be moral and LGBT people to be immoral due to the refusal to accept socially conservative values. I don't think what I said was wrong, nor do I think it is good for you to assume I was assigning either side any blame. I don't believe there's any point in trying to litigate the wording in this case.

Except Christians also believe themselves to be moral and LGBT people to be immoral due to the refusal to accept socially conservative values.

Sure, in the same way that divorcees and people who watch porn are immoral, and yet somehow neither of these are culture-war hotspots to anything approaching the degree LGBT is. LGBT is a lifestyle in a way that porn and divorce are not, and so it provides significantly more areas of contention to fight the culture war over. So the successor ideology has spent years pushing the idea that LGBT folks are "just like everyone else", a claim that again the vocal LGBT folks themselves frequently reject and some fairly significant evidence contradicts, and then hammering the Christians they've always hated for "bigotry" when we push back.

I don't think what I said was wrong, nor do I think it is good for you to assume I was assigning either side any blame.

"cast [X] as intrinsically evil" is not a neutral descriptor, nor in this case an accurate one. You are framing what is at worst mutual combat as an unprovoked attack.

Whether one is an ardent of Atheism+ supporter or a devout Christian from birth, there is agreement on the fact that right-wingers use a great deal of religious rhetoric and argumentation to push a narrative that LGBT and its followers are evil. The only disagreement would be on the accuracy of the statement, not whether it was accurate. I never said anything about provocation either.

No part of what you've said contradicts my description. Again, I don't understand why you want to try and win an optics battle in a place that is highly sympathetic to your viewpoint.

Suppose I claimed that whether one was an Atheism+ supporter or a devout Christian from birth, there is agreement on the fact that left-wingers use a great deal of rhetoric and argumentation to push a narrative that Christianity and its followers are evil. Would you hold that this statement was straightforwardly, unobjectionably factual? If so, I withdraw my objection. If not, I'd ask what you consider the difference between the two statements to be.

If I had to make any correction, it might be that both are not totally at the "other side is intrinsically evil" point. But a substantial symmetry certainly exists. Currently, I have no inherent objection to that line of argumentation as a premise for another, which is what I was doing.

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