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Culture War Roundup for the week of September 4, 2023

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Repeal Bill C-21.

To what end? Organize a revolution? Go down in a blaze of glory screaming 'I hate the antichrist!'?

Despite all the pessimism in this thread, I feel it's only scratching the surface of just how 'gone' things really are.

So that Canadians can continue to freely own guns.

Why like or care about that? I mean, I'm not saying that's bad or that you shouldn't. But I had imagined, given the context of the conversation, that this was being presented as some motive to vote for the conservatives in the face of the political 'problems' facing Canada.

Why do I care about voters of the party having their preferences expressed through the party they elect? That is the entire point of the system we've agreed upon. Someone asked what will happen if they win, I pointed to something, and let him know we're figuring it out at the convention this weekend.

You are reframing the question and missing the point of it. To remind us of its original context:

We used to have a guy here (or back on reddit) singing praises of UK conservatives, and how Multicultural Torryism is going to show us the way to combat wokeness. The UK now routinely sics the cops on people for denying progressive orthodoxy. Establishment conservatives are playing on the same team as the progressives.

If the distinguishing feature of the Canadian right vs the left is that it will not ban guns, there's not much point in celebrating their victory, is there? Does any element of the Canadian right represent any radical divergence from the mainstream of leftist politics?

I strongly disagree with the assertion that it's a re-framing of issues for me to say "The party will achieve these goals" in spite of your insistence that 'Some other arbitrarily-chosen goals are more important'. But fortunately for us the aforementioned convention is now over. It's also wrong to assume that the preferences of single-issue voters for example don't matter, and that a political change is only worthwhile if it's sweeping (Good the enemy of perfect etc etc). If literally the only difference between 2 major parties was the guns, that still represents the loss of lifestyle, tens of thousands of (Canadian) dollars, food procurement, etc. If only difference between the GOP and the Democrats in the USA was that the Democrats wanted to ban all cars, would you have a pithy expression for people who rejoice when they are allowed to keep them?

Anyways based on your tone I'm presuming you are preoccupied with culture war issues. In that case the CPC affirmed their intent to ban trans medical procedures for all children. Getting rid of diversity hiring practices, keeping freedom of speech. Pretty much all of the main culture war threads.

It's not my insistence. It's the context the question was in. I very purposefully made that distinction clear and cited that context. If you don't want to engage with the question within that context I am very correct in stating that you are reframing the question. Insisting that you are not doing exactly what you are doing is very dishonest and transparent.

Anyways based on your tone I'm presuming you are preoccupied with culture war issues. In that case the CPC affirmed their intent to ban trans medical procedures for all children. Getting rid of diversity hiring practices, keeping freedom of speech. Pretty much all of the main culture war threads.

And without radical change none of these things will happen since these things are long embedded in the institutions themselves. It's rather tiresome to have to explain this to people when the example of this happening has already been given and you refuse to acknowledge it.