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The thought experiment doesn't tell us much tbh. We already knew left-wingers were a little more about protecting the weak than right-wingers, and right-wingers are a little more about self-interest than left-wingers. I'm not sure anything more is happening here than lazy application of that. Maybe there's a right answer (blue?) and some of the smarter twitter users figured it out, but so what? It feels like a psych experiment on college students you'd use to make sweeping and incorrect claims about human psychology.
Considering it anyway, for no reason: Red is not obvious - clearly some people are going to choose blue, given all of the people on twitter who choose blue, so if everyone else chooses red they die. That choice isn't even particularly correlated (based on twitter posts) with being ingroup or being your race or nationality or having high IQ, so there aren't any eugenic effects or 'people who deserve to die end up dying', it's pretty random aside from political position. So choosing blue helps all those people not die. You could analogize it to the choice to live in a city with people who aren't your kin. These people could kill you at any moment, if they choose (red!). But if everyone in the city chooses to not rape/murder, the entire city benefits (blue). But I don't think that has any meaning either, it's just a silly game theory experiment, there are a lot of those.
Hilarious how much more engagement this got than the trump indictment.
I'd be more inclined to do that, if it weren't that a lot of the 'choose blue' types also argue about legalising drugs and the harmful social effects with "oh, so you want to stop people having fun, huh? you want to ban everything just because some people abuse it and hurt themselves? you gonna ban sex next, are you?". I've just had a long argument about that very topic elsewhere, where all my interlocutors were rushing to assure me that they and the people they knew were all careful recreational users and they knew nobody who ever had a bad outcome from drugs and really wasn't I just exaggerating about that?
That's not about "choosing to help those who make bad decisions not die, even if it means I have to make a sacrifice", it's "I want my fun and I am prepared to be selfish when it's not a matter of showing off my virtue online". So when those same people go "well of course I'd pick blue, it's the only correct moral thing to do, we must protect people from the risk of bad choices", forgive me if I snort in disbelief.
A lot of the blue-choosers on twitter were neoliberals, or people like roon/yashkaf, who aren't the stereotypical society-undermining leftist. I don't think it's reasonable to kill all of them just because it'd alaso kill some political enemies.
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Or maybe it is correlated with high IQ and there are plenty of people who posture as smart but are actually imbeciles?
You should look at the correlation between high IQ, liberalism, and pro-socieality at some point.
IE, if you got Einstein, Bohr, Leibnitz, and the whole Nobel price galley together in a room and ran the test the only people who would pick red are the economists; ie the social scientists.
I highly doubt that. But we are arguing over a stupid point — what hypothetically dead people would pick in a highly contrived example.
The first line though, the first line!
Prosociality is highly corelated with high IQ; and thus picking blue. (Likewise, antisociality is highly corelated with low IQ. Hence the between violent offenders and low IQ.)
Pro social is not picking blue. Blue almost certainly leads to a worse society as more people die.
Only if their are enough people who pick red to create a low trust society; which is worse in every regard for every participant (except for people that are good at scams and violence and shit.)
If the majority of prosocial humans select blue as the did and habitually do in the non fake twitter quiz versions of this question; everything is fine for everyone.
Again, I don’t really see red pill as low trust or anti social. This isn’t defecting. This is “I won’t risk my life to save someone who foolishly puts themself in danger when they easily could not.”
Of course the calculus is a bit different if small children are participating who aren’t capable of understanding.
I guess it's how you think of the poll.
If I was in a prisoners dilemma situation with one other person, I take the red pill. Duh. With ten? Red pill. With 100? Red pill.
I see the actual question as: We are posing this question to everyone who speaks your language on the internet. That changes the calculus, and I start answering the question by modeling what an ideal society would do, guessing how likely it is, and if it's =+51% doing that.
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It’s these smart blue-pickers who don’t trust people to be smart enough to pick “don’t die” over “maybe die but hopefully not”, and end up causing a situation where other people have to save them by putting themselves at risk.
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This is just wishcasting. There are a lot of incredibly smart liberals, e.g. most STEM people at most universities, most tech people, ... What do you think Scott Aaronson's position on this would be? His work in quantum computation stuff shows he's quite smart.
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This is at least a fun thought experiment, the latest Trump indictment is just either Trump super guilty and needs to be jailed or Trump obviously railroaded by political hacks, depending which movie screen you're watching, without anyone much changing their minds. I suppose I probably should care more about the subversion and destruction of the American electoral system (true whichever screen you're watching!), but I guess I'm just used to it.
It's a silly argument but fun. Trump indictment is "oh, is it a day ending in 'y' and the Dems are at it again?"
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Trump's probably guilty by the standard of "did he do something illegal". He's innocent by the standard of "would Democrats be permitted to get away with it". It's the three-felonies-a-day standard of politics where everyone's a criminal, so punishing people "for being a criminal" is never that.
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Can I be in both camps? I think the obstruction charge is legit. The other charges seem crazy to me (caveating I haven’t read Georgia so who knows).
At the same time, if Trump received the Hillary standard the obstruction charge wouldn’t have been brought. I wish both would share the same cell…
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