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If that is what makes a coordinated conspiracy, then so is every petition drive to "write to your congressperson about this issue!" where they say "the best way to get attention and make sure your letter doesn't end up in the bin is to write it like this" and "if everyone repeats the same points, the politicians will know what we want done", and then they provide a form letter template to fill in your own name and send off.
You’re not American, so you may not realize what a big deal the elector certificates are. These are the official electoral college votes which are opened by the Vice President and counted in the presence of congress to determine the next president of the United States per the 12th amendment.
The only problem is that they were fake. The federal government received two sets of electoral certificates from these states, a real set, and a fake set. The fact that all of the fake sets have the same formatting is a big deal because it implies there was a coordinated plan to send fake votes to congress.
I mean... "The formatting is the same" does indeed imply a coordinated plan, but we don't need to grasp at such straws given that the indictment includes quotes from emails and text messages of the people doing the coordinating.
I wouldn't put it past a prosecutor to misrepresent an email conversation. The fact that there is outside corroborating evidence seems quite relevant at this stage of the game.
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