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Culture War Roundup for the week of July 24, 2023

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I think the concerns about how the process was politicized, especially by bueaucrats worried about conflict with China, are still valid - welcome to government though

I think the issue is the effect the politicization has on scientists. Just saying 'welcome to the government' sidesteps the whole point.

The scientists never claimed that it was the actual origin of Covid

OK, but any other theory was called a conspiracy theory (at best). So they put forth one possibility and suppressed anything else... You don't see a problem here? It's the theory version of 'You can have a model T in any color, as long as it's black'.

The distance in time between the scientists saying they weren't certain ... but rather forty five days

The world is a big place, 45 days isn't slow. And again, look at how other ideas were treated. Look at how youtube and twitter reacted to people floating different ideas. It's very easy to focus on the people shooting at 5G towers but that ignores actual doctors and scientists who were labeled racists for saying it might of come from a lab.

The world is a big place, 45 days isn't slow.

The claim on the part of the skeptics is that the scientist made an abrupt 180 on their views in only a few days because of pressure from the NIH. Instead they had a month and half during which relevant research was published that overturned the main cited uncertainty.

OK, but any other theory was called a conspiracy theory (at best). So they put forth one possibility and suppressed anything else... You don't see a problem here?

This is what the scientists had to say about the lab leak theory vs the market:

As many early cases of COVID-19 were linked to the Huanan market in Wuhan, it is possible that an animal source was present at this location....

Although the evidence shows that SARS-CoV-2 is not a purposefully manipulated virus, it is currently impossible to prove or disprove the other theories of its origin described here. However, since we observed all notable SARS-CoV-2 features, including the optimized RBD and polybasic cleavage site, in related coronaviruses in nature, we do not believe that any type of laboratory-based scenario is plausible. More scientific data could swing the balance of evidence to favor one hypothesis over another.

Pretty reasonable imo. Anyone is welcome to dispute their scientific claims. Again, the same government you're accusing of supressing the lab leak has also repeatedly endorsed the lab leak. Seems like a pretty sloppy coverup imo.

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