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Culture War Roundup for the week of July 3, 2023

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Again and again, why do people keep on jumping to race as the most accurate way to filter for being able to integrate?

The HBD answer for this is "regression to the mean". You actually do have to judge the race and genotype of the people showing up and immigrating to your country, because their children are going to be more like the average member of their ethnicity. When you allow someone to immigrate into your society, you're not just bringing in them but all of their descendants as well. If you take someone who had some rare, atypically high IQ and some hypothetical conscientiousness quotient that's great, but you have to be aware that chances are their children are going to be closer to the mean, and race is actually the best proxy we have for this afaik.

If you select a specific subgroup from a certain ethnic group as immigrants, their descendants will regress to the mean of that subgroup and not their entire ethnic group.

I don't think that's intrinsically much of a "HBD answer", and my impression as an - I should say at this point - "HBD reclaimer" is that regression to the mean is used too often as a thought-terminating cliché to allow that speaker to arrive at their preconceived conclusion. Clearly there is no perfect regression to the mean, because otherwise we would not have HBD/populations with temporally consistent different means at all.

A biased sample of a base population may well regress some part of the way to its mean - but it won't regress all the way, or evolution would be impossible. Do you know anything about how far it will regress, and how fast?

Breeder's equation (which, as Greg Cochran noticed, somehow doesn't have a wikipedia article)

is that regression to the mean is used too often as a thought-terminating cliché to allow that speaker to arrive at their preconceived conclusion.

or how does it look to people who don't understand regression to the mean?

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You can think of it this way. In the first case, the parents have 20 extra IQ points. On average, 50% of those points are due to additive genetic factors, while the other 50% is the product of good environmental luck. By the way, when we say "environmental,” we mean “something other than additive genetics.” It doesn’t look as if the usual suspects—the way in which you raise your kids, or the school they attend—contribute much to this "environmental" variance, at least for adult IQ. We know what it’s not, but not much about what it is, although it must include factors like test error and being hit on the head with a ball-peen hammer.

The kids get the good additive genes, but have average "environmental" luck—so their average IQ is 110. The luck (10 pts worth) goes away.

The 120-IQ parents drawn from the IQ-85 population have 35 extra IQ points, half from good additive genes and half from good environmental luck. But in the next generation, the luck goes away… so they drop 17.5 points.

The next point is that the luck only goes away once. If you took those kids from the first group, with average IQs of 110, and dropped them on a friendly uninhabited island, they would eventually get around to mating—and the next generation would also have an IQ of 110. With tougher selection, say by kidnapping a year’s worth of National Merit Finalists, you could create a new ethny with far higher average intelligence than any existing. Eugenics is not only possible, it’s trivial.

A biased sample of a base population may well regress some part of the way to its mean - but it won't regress all the way, or evolution would be impossible. Do you know anything about how far it will regress, and how fast?

I actually don't, because there's a lot of variability in that kind of question. If you take someone who got starved of oxygen at some vital moment as a child and lost 20IQ due to some environmental insult, then the upwards regression of their children will be extremely dramatic. If you have someone who somehow lucked into getting a precise combination of alleles that end up with a 20 point IQ boost above the average, then you're going to get an extremely dramatic reversal.

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