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Culture War Roundup for the week of September 12, 2022

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You need a multiverse to have black Arwen, which was your argument; you're the one who brought up Marvel universe and Nick Fury is white in one Earth and black in another.

You can't skip from "different versions belong in different universes" to "different versions in the same universe" as it suits your argument. Either Middle-earth is indeed different in every version, in which case Amazon do not get to call it Tolkien's work, or it's the same world in the different versions.

You're trying to argue that we could change George Washington to a New Zealand Maori because hey, a history text book is different from a painting of him crossing the Delaware is different to the movie made about the Revolutionary War.

You can't skip from "different versions belong in different universes" to "different versions in the same universe" as it suits your argument. Either Middle-earth is indeed different in every version, in which case Amazon do not get to call it Tolkien's work, or it's the same world in the different versions.

Ok, so what is your interpretation of Jackson's movies? Is it Lord of the Rings? Is it Tolkien's work? Marvel deal with it using multiverse within their overall meta universe (though whether their tv shows and movies are part of that comics metaverse seems to change, is the MCU Earth-616 or 199999 for example?)

Given we already have multiple versions of Lord of the Rings properties, how do you see those? That is what I am really trying to get at. Forget what the specific differences are, if Jackson's movies had been identical to the book except for the Arwen/Glorfindel change for example. Is it Lord of the Rings? Is it Tolkien or not?

Is your position that ANY change invalidates calling it Lord of the Rings or is your issue with specific changes?

Edit: I think you kind of answered this below actually.

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