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Culture War Roundup for the week of September 12, 2022

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Reminds me of that bodybuilding/math article someone was looking for in the Sunday thread. The premise is that there are two types of 'hard', bodybuilding hard (where we know how to do something, but you have to put in the effort), and math hard (where it's hard to figure out, but once you do, it's easy).

AI is basically just plowing through the 'math hard' stuff. And for the most part, creative arts are mostly 'math hard'.

But how much will society really suffer if art, on average, becomes higher quality (because low-quality art basically vanishes when an AI can do it well for free). It reminds me a bit of projectionists in movie theaters. For many years you heard projectionists sounding the alarm about what would happen if they were replaced, how the theater experience would drop. But the honest truth is that most projectionists were teenagers who had no idea what they were doing, and the average experience for theater goers was that the film would be poorly lighted, framed incorrectly, that reels wouldn't be changed properly, that sound and video would be out of sync.

Sure, in a few large cities there were great projectionist made a film dramatically better. But for the whole of society, the death of the projectionist was a net benefit.

Anyways, the average artist (and the crappy artists) probably benefit the most from AI art, because they can increase their output and potentially their quality. For those who get stuck (like writers block) AI is a great way to blow through that. And maybe society as a whole benefits if people who have great vision, but not the skill to put their vision on paper, have the tools to be able to do so.

Most 'great' artists will survive fine, since most 'great' artists are actually just 'good' artists who built a brand. At some point AI will figure out how to build a brand, an audience, a following, and that'll be a major changing point for humanity.

Who knows, maybe the rise of AI in digital media will lead to an increase in demand for in-person, local arts, like theater. If everyone can simply type an idea into a prompt and get a theatrical quality film, then the real treat is going to be seeing performances live (just like with concerts).