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Culture War Roundup for the week of May 22, 2023

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Maybe I should have pointed out how repeatedly accusing people of lying isn't productive to anything either so you could have dropped that as well.

I accuse Sanning of lying because he lies, as the example I gave in my first response to you pretty clearly shows.

For starters I don't think the practice of looking at estimates like this is all that valid to begin with considering the error margins and the chaotic nature of events.

Just saying "it was chaotic" is hand-waving. Where, specifically, was the chaos? What chaos would have caused the British authorities of Mandate Palestine or the US immigration authorities, both quite severe in the restriction of immigration, to underestimate the number of Jews entering their borders by the hundreds of thousands?

Just saying "it was chaotic" is hand-waving.

Thankfully that's not what I 'just' said. As my point pertained to the general inaccuracies of demographic data collection in general confounded by the tumultuous times, where people were moving in great numbers. And not just via boats to Palestine and the US, as your reply suggests. This was said by me to further the broader point that claims of confident certainty, to a degree that the holocaust narrative seems to require to fill its minimum baseline of jews, are unwarranted. Admitting to a certain level of uncertainty with regards to the data in general seems much more prudent. But, again, prudence is not something exterminationists can afford.

Can I just chalk this misrepresentation of yours up to you being a liar? I say this half jokingly.

As my point pertained to the general inaccuracies of demographic data collection in general confounded by the tumultuous times, where people were moving in great numbers.

The 1930s were actually not really a time when people were moving in great numbers. Emigration from Poland dropped sharply in this period.

And not just via boats to Palestine and the US, as your reply suggests

Palestine, US, and France absorbed almost the entirety of Polish-Jewish emigration, any other destinations are rounding errors.

Admitting to a certain level of uncertainty with regards to the data in general seems much more prudent.

Never said otherwise. Degrees of uncertainty exist. Degrees of uncertainty do not exist on the order of millions, which is what you need for this argument to go through.

Can I just chalk this misrepresentation of yours up to you being a liar?

Not comparable to inserting the word "Jewish" into a citation when the original source explicitly notes that the persons in question were majority non-Jewish.

I've already made my point, you misrepresenting it again isn't very interesting to me.

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