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Culture War Roundup for the week of May 22, 2023

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If your ultimate goal is truth-seeking, weakmanning will distract you into hacking away at worthless twigs rather than striking at the core. But sometimes the goal isn't seeking truth on the specific position (either because it's irrelevant or otherwise already beyond reasonable dispute) and instead the relevant topic is the collective epistemological dynamics [I dare you to use this phrase at a dinner party without getting kicked out.]. InverseFlorida's insightful analysis would not have been possible without shining a spotlight on the putative crazies — the very definition of weakmanning in other words.

I used to get criticized and attacked all the time by people, who claimed I was always trying to 'win' some argument in the conversation being had. And I usually was only met with that reply, for attempting to keep things on course and refusing to let the topic just irrationally jump from one unrelated point to another. I was never as concerned with 'truth-seeking' so much as I was determined to establish 'some' kind conclusion within the topic being had. Conversations that are had recreationally with no ended aim in mind, annoy the hell out of me in the vast majority of cases. But I think people are getting 'far' too much mileage out of terms like 'strawmanning' or 'steelmanning' or 'weakmanning'.

I think there are few basic distinctions that on some level, are common to all terms used to capture this concept. Most people aren't very adept at 'precisely' articulating their arguments. People epistemologically always know 'more' than they're capable of expressing through language. For most of them, they can only approximate, at 'best' what it is they're 'trying' to say. And that's where all the haggling over the various -manning, takes place; IMO. There's what people are 'trying' to say, and then there's what they're 'actually' saying. I don't think any of those terms apply entirely, across the board as a general rule. You have to ask yourself what the purpose of your argument is.