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Only time I was at a drag show was when I was getting shitfaced with my mates at DNA Lounge during a bachelor party, and suddenly, a bunch of drags went on stage and started squirting the crowd with milk from their huge-ass fake breasts.
Now, a night club like DNA Lounge is obviously not going to have children present, but drug shows appealing to prurient interest is very much not something of an exception: if you follow right wing Twitter accounts, you'll see sexually explicit clips of drag shows with children in audience on a regular basis.
How do you know? But how representative of drag shows do you suppose are a set of clips curated by right wing Twitter accounts? I am sure that there are left wing accounts showing people opposing gender assignment surgery for kids while spewing homophobic invective, but I am 100% sure that they are the exception among those who worried about such surgery.
It seems pretty obvious that even the authors of the bills in question do not think that drag shows are typically prurient; if they did, they would ban kids from attending all of them.
Regardless, the point is that the bills that have been enacted don't ban drag shows, as is commonly claimed.
(But then, with maybe one exception, the "anti-CRT" laws that have been enacted don't ban the teaching of CRT or anything else, but activists and politicians on both sides have an interest in continuing to claim that they do. So perhaps it is a losing battle).
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