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Culture War Roundup for the week of March 6, 2023

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And then he talks about the weird isotopes of magnesium and the inhomogenously mixed materials, which is a very strange thing to find

Yeah, but it's an entirely separate strange thing from the military havana syndrome. There are a lot of strange things, on a planet with 57 million square miles of land area and eight billion people Both because strange things happen, magnesium isotope fractionation gets some results, idk if this matches his thing. Or maybe something was measured incorrectly.

You can choose to flatly reject this guy but his credentials are pretty impressive

People with credentials are wrong all the time, and 95% of other people with credentials would dispute UFOs generally, as well as many with credentials disputing any of these allegations. So the credentials shouldn't make you lean towards his view. And his evidence is not great.

Meanwhile, the other one was just way off. Like 30 percent off the ratios. The problem is there's no good reason humans have for altering the isotope ratios of a simple metal like magnesium. There's no different properties of the different isotopes, that anybody, at least in any of the literature that is public of the hundreds of thousands of papers published, that says this is why you would do that. Now you can do it. It's a little expensive to do, but you'd have no reason for doing it.

Why would anyone irradiate magnesium to make these weird isotopes and drop it off for people to find? Surely this could only happen artificially. Are we proposing that some freak natural occurrence leaves behind some irradiated magnesium right next to a 'UAP', which in your mind is a completely separate bizarre natural occurrence?

It's like the theory that Epstein managed to kill himself in an anti-suicide room AND that the camera failed just when he did so. Two connected simultaneous unexplained events? Surely it is more plausible that there's an orchestrating party involved.

Furthermore, 25 people are dead! Either Havana Syndrome was real or there's another kind of energy that's killing people, or the professor is lying.

People with credentials are wrong all the time, and 95% of other people with credentials would dispute UFOs generally

Well they weren't with him in the lab, measuring the isotopes or examining the brains. I'm confident that 95% of people with credentials would opt out of disputing people who had seen the evidence, when they themselves have not.

Are we proposing that some freak natural occurrence leaves behind some irradiated magnesium right next to a 'UAP', which in your mind is a completely separate bizarre natural occurrence?

yeah, because 'UFO sightings' happen all the time, and in lots of places, which is a lot of opportunities for a second coincidence. A paper about that magnesium notes

There is undisputed evidence that an aircraft crashed in that area in April 1957. There is strong evidence that a meteorite, or an object resembling a meteorite, crashed or exploded in the area in the early 1930's, and that a piece of strange light-weight material was caught in a fishing net at about that time. There is weaker evidence (mainly from one witness) that a very large object disintegrated, with a silent explosion, near Ubatuba in or about 1957. There is some evidence that, in or about 1957, one or more metal specimens were brought for analysis to an Air Force research center near S¼o Paulo and found to be magnesium.

So maybe it was from a meteorite, which would ... well, it's an "unidentified aerial phenomena" to the viewer, but not in the sense of 'unexplainable' or 'aliens'. You can google things too, btw!

Furthermore, 25 people are dead! Either Havana Syndrome was real or there's another kind of energy that's killing people, or the professor is lying.

He claims they died from these strange injuries. That might not be true, though. These people were

almost all defense or governmental personnel or people working in the aerospace industry

Government + defense + aerospace is a very large group of people to start from!

You have a smorgasbord of patients, some of whom had heard weird noises buzzing in their head, got sick, etc. A reasonable subset of them had claimed to have seen UAPs and some claimed to be close to things that got them sick

So some of them saw UAPs, some of them were sick ... but if you put normal people who claim to see UAPs in a group with people who have unrelated brain issues, or maybe allow enough time for some to die of old age, and you can have a group that's partially 'UAP injured people' where '25 died' without the UAPs causing it.

I'm confident that 95% of people with credentials would opt out of disputing people who had seen the evidence, when they themselves have not.

... when the evidence is for UFOs zapping peoples brains by "emitting so much energy that you're basically getting burned inside your body"? Or for isotopic magnesium that's part of an alien craft? A lot more than 5% of 'people with credentials' would dispute it.

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