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Aaronson is in a constant state of "we're just one Republican victory away from being hauled off to the death camps" - see this from "Short Letter to my 11 Year Old Self":
Remember his over-reaction to the Airport Tips affair? It all happened because everybody was out to get him:
I don't know if the airport staff "deliberately refused to check us in" in order to legally give away the seat; maybe so, maybe they were just spinning out the end of their shift so they could finally clock off and go home, rather than go over their time dealing with a guy in a tizzy who can't even remember his own name once he's the tiniest bit stressed. But instead of "Well duh here's how I was dumb and the comedy of errors that ensued", it's "the Universe was out to get me (from my kid having a tantrum on down)".
So naturally he wants a sanitised world where nobody can be offended because nobody can think Forbidden Thoughts. That way, nobody is going to go "hey, what about them Jews?" and he and his family will be sort of safe for a while at least.
Holy crap, reading that blog post about being arrested and all the comments telling him how sorry they feel for his horrible mistreatment by the fascist police made me irrationally angry. And I tend to be more on the "never talk to the police, they are agents pf the state and cannot be trusted" side of things.
He admits, in his own story, that he was literally guilty of thr crime he was being accused of. He brazenly stole money from a tip jar (I'll buy the whole "absent-minded professor thought the tip jar was actually full of change from his debit card transaction" story, but there's no reason anyone at the time should have--it's genuinely bizaare amd seemingly anti-social behavior), ignored the cashier's angry protestations, walked out of thr airport, and then had the audacity to act dumb when the police showed up. And all of this was on video. But rather than apologize profusely for his literally criminally negligent lack of situational awareness and chalk this up as a learning opportunity teaching him to try to be more aware of what he's doing, he blames everyone else in the world for being an unempathetic monster.
Why does anyone take this clown seriously?
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