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Culture War Roundup for the week of February 6, 2023

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Simple- find corresponding evidence to support the claims.

I would love for you to try to find the "evidence" of whatever claims you are supposed to be making about Nord Stream 2.

Journalists don't make claims, they simply report the evidence they managed to find.

As the author has in the past engaged in conspiracy theory publication, such as the OBL raid

That's a hallucination. Hersh has never engaged in conspiracy theories, the Osama bin Laden information was confirmed by Obama. Hersh was vindicated, as he usually is.

It is you the one that has a motivated reasoning to distrust Hersh's reporting.

This suggests you are either very young, or very modest checking skills, when it comes to Chomsky.

Neither of which can be falsifiable. Right?

The fact that you have cited events without causal relationships to the Nord Stream pipeline as evidence of a causal relationship indicates that yes, you did do that.

Converse error fallacy.

I said that you treated it as a causal link.

And you are wrong. You are mind-reading based on a converse error fallacy.

Aside from the lack of hundreds, I rather suspect you will, so that you can get the last word once again.

You are wrong again. I said I was done with that particular subthread, I didn't say I was done with all subthreads.

You may notice I didn't address every single weak argument you've put forward in this subthread either.


The argument remains that in addition to the issues that other people have pointed, it retains the characteristics of being source by someone someone unfamiliar with how governments work

False. You have never established that. All your arguments point towards someone who doesn't know how the military works, which I already addressed.

who is supposed to be a highly placed person in the US government

The article never mentioned anything remotely close to that. How many people do you think hold a top-secret clearance in USA?


The streisand effect says hello

Once again I don't think you know what you are talking about. The premise of the Streisand effect is someone trying to hide information. What information do you think I'm trying to "hide"?

I would love for you to try to find the "evidence" of whatever claims you are supposed to be making about Nord Stream 2.

Journalists don't make claims, they simply report the evidence they managed to find.

The 'evidence' in this report is a series of claim made by an alleged anonymous source with access. Moreover, the claims of the anonymous source are unsupported by corroborating evidence (hence the reliance on argument by narrative), and contradicted by available evidence (flight data that doesn't match the claimed trigger mechanism).

That's a hallucination. Hersh has never engaged in conspiracy theories, the Osama bin Laden information was confirmed by Obama. Hersh was vindicated, as he usually is.

This now begs what you think is a hallucation, as well as what specific information you think was verified versus what wasn't.

It is you the one that has a motivated reasoning to distrust Hersh's reporting.

Repeating the claim from a position of motivated reasoning neither makes it motivated reasoning or disarms the stated basis of skepticism.

This suggests you are either very young, or very modest checking skills, when it comes to Chomsky.

Neither of which can be falsifiable. Right?

No, you could certainly identify your age and the depth of your checking to Chomsky's more contentious claims which have been critiqued over time.

The fact that you have cited events without causal relationships to the Nord Stream pipeline as evidence of a causal relationship indicates that yes, you did do that.

Converse error fallacy.

Misuse of converse fallacy.

I said that you treated it as a causal link.

And you are wrong. You are mind-reading based on a converse error fallacy.

Still misuse. The criticism was a characterization. Your rebuttal was that it was false as you never claimed the characterization. The rebuttal to your rebuttal is that it was never claimed you claimed the characterization. This is not a converse error fallacy, this is basic strawman fallacy being rejected.

Aside from the lack of hundreds, I rather suspect you will, so that you can get the last word once again.

You are wrong again. I said I was done with that particular subthread, I didn't say I was done with all subthreads.

I am quite correct that you lack hundreds, and remain vindicated in my expectation that you will continue to strive for the last word despite multiple claims you are done.

I note you are also still on the same subthread, and expect you to continue to do so for reasons of predictability and ego.

You may notice I didn't address every single weak argument you've put forward in this subthread either.

No, I'm well aware you're not addressing them, but my viewpoint is that you're abandoning weak positions that your deflections could not resolve.

The argument remains that in addition to the issues that other people have pointed, it retains the characteristics of being source by someone someone unfamiliar with how governments work

False.

True. This is and remains my argument.

You have never established that.

I have made my argument on multiple points. Whether you accept it as established is irrelevant.

All your arguments point towards someone who doesn't know how the military works, which I already addressed.

All of my arguments were not restricted to the military, nor did your addressing actually resolve or mitigate the criticism. 'Address' does not mean 'defeated,' and you have consistently dropped threads that remained contested, even if you claim to do so because they are weak.

who is supposed to be a highly placed person in the US government

The article never mentioned anything remotely close to that. How many people do you think hold a top-secret clearance in USA?

With access to covert operations planning at the White House level for black operations specifically designed to avoid oversight? Very, very, very, very few, and only at high levels of the US government where alleged meetings were taking place with people who constitute highly placed members of the current administration.

This, again, is indicative of someone who doesn't understand the workings of the US government.

The streisand effect says hello

Once again I don't think you know what you are talking about. The premise of the Streisand effect is someone trying to hide information. What information do you think I'm trying to "hide"?

Hiding is only one of the causes of the streisand effect. Trying to otherwise draw attention away from information is another form. By placing your particular rebuttal well below the current topic of the day- below the fold in American media parlance- even as you created a new subthread, you engaged in a way to minimize attention to standing counter-arguments.

However, your attempt to re-raise the topic in a different space, and let the previous thread die in obscurity with your rebuttal as the last word in any future review, only drew more attention to the counter-argument... even though you attempted to use a lack of attention as a basis of criticism in the lower thread.

That argument seems to be a little humorous in retrospect, given the unmasked voting ratios in periods where anyone likely read it, but the obvious argument on appeal to the majority is obvious, even as it would be wrong here.

However, as we're sufficiently meta here to note that the scope of discussion is narrowing, and I've made clear my perception of why, I'll let any future reviewers make their judgement as to who is correct. You can have the last word if it will help you feel better, but this exchange has drawn it's expected pattern, and I doubt you'll find any vindication in being predicted.

The 'evidence' in this report is a series of claim made by an alleged anonymous source with access.

That is evidence.

contradicted by available evidence (flight data that doesn't match the claimed trigger mechanism).

Prove it.

No, you could certainly identify your age and the depth of your checking to Chomsky's more contentious claims which have been critiqued over time.

I am 40. And you pick a controversial Chomsky "claim".

Misuse of converse fallacy.

No, it's not a misuse. You are literally saying because I appear to have done something, therefore I did it. If it glitters, then it's gold. That's a fallacy.

my viewpoint is that you're abandoning weak positions that your deflections could not resolve.

Your viewpoint is wrong. If you want me to address your "strongest" positions, then only mention those.

True. This is and remains my argument.

Simply saying "true" does nothing, you have to substantiate your claim, which you haven't done so far. Therefore your claim is dismissed.

With access to covert operations planning at the White House level for black operations specifically designed to avoid oversight?

This is a probabilistic fallacy. You are talking about P(X), we are talking about P(X|O). Yet another example of motivated reasoning.