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Quite beautifully written comment :}
Would you happen to live in France? If so maybe we could meet IRL as fellow rationalists!
Personally I think russophobia, sinophobia and their dehumanizations are here to stay and existed throughout the last century.
In fact I don't see the propaganda machine turning on other civilizations, Russia and China are and will continue to be, increasingly so, the main threats to U.S hegemony.
I don't think we know that. Even though population opinions should be observable in real time over the internet, in reality they're not for those countries.
I suppose that the majority of people on echo chamber subreddits like /r/ukraina are either non Ukrainian or are for the most part, Ukrainian not living in Ukraine.
The chronology of events that led to the coup and to the war is quite simple and a human living in Ukraine should be able to understand the major responsibility of the "west" and of the trivially undemocratic governments post 2014.
They have among other things seen by themselves the unilateral censorship.
I suppose most Ukrainian cannot say what they truly think without fear of going to jail.
However one should not underestimate the potent power of repeated unilateral propaganda and pressure on the layman's mind and it's possible the cognitive dissonance has become so strong that they truly developed for the majority, spoonfed russophobia despite their knowledge of the events chain.
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