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I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out Wang and Ellison had orchestrated this whole thing, and SBF is simply a patsy. They are both admitting guilt, and that they knew at the time what they were doing was wrong. If SBF has a shred of evidence that they misled him, he'll probably get off, while Wang and Ellison get a slap on the wrist.
Timing works out wrong. He set up Alameda himself first, talked Ellison away from Jane Street, and it looks like Wang and Singh were the other co-founders with him. Sam Trabucco was Alameda CEO first, then co-CEO with Ellison, then furled his sails and left and so she took over as sole CEO. (The Sequoia article continues to toast, butter and put jam on the bread for the background of all this):
[Bankman-Fried tells her the story of what he's been doing, mainly making a fortune off the 'kimchi premium']
There's also Ryan Salame, who was making donations to the Republicans as Bankman-Fried and Singh were making donations to the Democrats (and for much the same reasons; butter 'em up to look favourably on FTX when it came to regulations and crypto structuring).
I don't know about Trabucco's reasons for leaving, he got out long before any revelations of something rotten in the state of Denmark so it's hard to know if he knew it was dodgy and left before he could be implicated, but Salame seems to have done some whistle-blowing:
Plus, the way it was all structured (John Jay's 'four silos' in the bankruptcy filing), Bankman-Fried was majority owner of the entities and was getting a billion dollar personal loan from Alameda (the others got smaller but still substantial loans):
So he isn't a simple patsy who was manipulated by a scheming math weasel as the fall guy.
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