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I don't think I made that claim; my objections remain if the CDC 'merely' revises their outreached based on poor arguments backed by Senators and the White House.
In a report that could not be recorded or presented to FOIA requests? Where none of these compelling arguments be summarized by any member? Where no 'expert' except the handful of the most bombastic gun control advocates were questioned, including the people the site had previously cited, about the matter?
Would you prefer I use the term 'buried' (or compare)? MorosKostas noticed this specific matter because The Trace used the removal here to argue as evidence that the study should be and was in the process of being re-evaluated.
I think you're vastly underestimating the available degrees of freedom for meta-study or literature review authors. Starting from whether such a broad literature review to note natively exclude data from before a start date is done.
Again, I don't particularly care whether it was #1 or #2 from your hypothesis, or that it's some excluded option (eg, the CDC bends to the first Senator to ask, and red tribers know not to ask because them doing this would be far greater a scandal).
At least in theory, it's a good deal of the point behind FOIA, although it can sometimes be excluded from FOIA under the b(5) exception (this is probably legitimate for the redacted 'drafts' of the new webpage). That's why there's 100+ pages that the CDC found responsive.
It's just that none of them contain a better argument than Hughes' insistence that his system was complete, somehow; most don't even contain a worse one. Instead, they're almost all about harm or visibility, or about The Trace asking on the topic.
That's the name of the underlying Kleck study.
That's the term of art used in the 2013 NASEM piece.
From the top of my search list:
the fast fact page which just had this information stripped from it,
firearms as a violence prevention topic without any mention of defense,
funding for new research that doesn't mention defense but does have a link to the 2013 NASEM report in case you wanted to dig a lot of pages in
a transcript of a press briefing where someone asked "I was wondering if this report addresses defensive gun use or justifiable shootings, which is a highly contested figure and is often used by outside groups as a political talking plan." (the answer was no).
a NVDRS preview pointing to 210 lawful self-defense cases.
a gun possession among youth paper
an Addressing Key Gaps paper that mentions defense only in the sentence that "In the self-protection model, adolescents are theorized to carry firearms as a means of self-defense because they reside in high crime neighborhoods..." [internal citations removed]
and a whole bunch more NVDRS previews.
There are no direct mentions of even the low-end estimates from the previous "Fast Facts" page, and there are no serious engagement with the concept. Does your search look different?
Because I think this is more serious a problem, from a perspective of social trust.
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