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naraburns  nihil supernum  2yr ago (text post)   3484 thread views

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You showed up driving your mom around. That classifies you as "The Help" and self respecting women don't fraternize with "The Help".

At first, I was inclined to agree with you, but other comments have changed my view. If fez's mom was hired as a photographer, then yes, fez would be "The Help". For those who don't see what this means, imagine hiring a dude to retile your bathroom that brings his son along to unload the truck and now that the dad is busy tiling the son wants to hang out with your daughter. No way, Jose, go help your dad or go sit in the truck.

This is a different situation. The moms are friends, it's a social visit. It seems like social obliviousness runs in both families, though (FM for fez's mom, GM for the girl's mom):

  • FM should've mentioned she was bringing fez with her

  • GM should've replanned the whole hanging out thing to include fez

  • GM should've also included her daughter in the hanging out so fez wouldn't feel weird drinking tea with two older ladies

Instead, what the girl expected was this:

  • FM comes, hangs out with my mom, I can do what I want

  • then I do a photo session to make my mom happy and FM leaves

and got this:

  • FM comes with her son, hangs out with my mom while this dude is left moping about

  • I haven't been taught to be a gracious host, so I will try to pretend he doesn't exist until he leaves

Just to clarify, Everyone knew in advance what was going to happen. Both of them knew that I would show up.

Imo, GM did her part. I spent more time talking to GM than G. Lol.

About 3/4 of the way through I knew G was a gone case, and I might as well just shift my attention to something else, GM was very talkative though.

So yeah G was really really not interested.

Fair enough.

Cynical as I am, I am more likely to accept this reasoning as a cause. However the counter is that "The Help" and "The Useful" are not two distinct sets, And one would assume that "The Useful" are of neutral status at worst.

I actually ran this idea by some of my normie (but not stupid) friends, and they find it somewhat dubious because "The Help" is such a common role occupied by so many different people in so many contexts that it would be "crazy" for it to hold that much negative status connotations.

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