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Culture War Roundup for the week of April 14, 2025

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You can actually find plenty of conservative academics https://www.chronicle.com/article/actually-there-are-more-conservatives-on-the-faculty-than-you-think-study-finds https://www.realcleareducation.com/articles/2023/03/23/conservative_faculty_are_outliers_on_campus_today_110844.html

They're disproportionately left leaning but ~25% being conservative is still pretty meaningful and I simply think you have an absurd view of academia in general if you believe the literal Chinese communists, draconic anti gun and/or anti-male vote crowd would be more common. There might be some very particular fields at a few random colleges where that could be the case, I don't know every single college ever but overall it would be a hard sell to say that anywhere close to 25% of academia is hard open borders or wants whites exterminated.

Edit: You'd also be surprised how much you hear about universities are literally not true. Like that famous story of the professor who said a Chinese word that sounded like a slur being suspended, despite that literally not happening and him being found completely innocent in the internal investigation

After weeks of an internal investigation by USC’s Office for Equity, Equal Opportunity and Title IX (EEO-TIX), however, Patton was found to have acted appropriately, as Garrett announced to students and the rest of the Marshall School community in a September 25 email. The EEO-TIX found that “the concerns expressed by students were sincere,” the dean wrote, “but that Professor Patton’s actions did not violate the university’s policy. They have also communicated this to the professor and he allowed me to share their conclusion with you.

“To be clear, Professor Patton was never suspended nor did his status at Marshall change. He is currently teaching in Marshall’s EMBA program and he will continue his regular teaching schedule next semester.

What happened is that multiple students make a complaint, an investigation occurs (as it should, an investigation is how you find out if a complaint is legitimate or not), Patton willingly steps down from the one class it occured in during the investigation (and most likely to not have to deal with those students anymore), social media people just make up shit (like this inside higher Ed article claiming he was suspended in the title despite literally acknowledging he was not suspended in the body) a.nd they find him completely innocent and he is still teaching to this day.

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