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Culture War Roundup for the week of November 14, 2022

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Then this would be the first time you do so for a name that is not inflammatory or provocative.

You may perhaps genuinely believe that throwing coded Heil Hitlers is not inflammatory or provocative.

If you're just disgruntled that we aren't willing to go along with normalizing it, too bad.

The entire point of this incident was that the person wasn't speaking in code. They literally put 1488 in their name.

Yes. And we're not allowing usernames with 1488 or "HeilHitler" or various permutations of "nigger," "faggot," "kike" and similar things (all of which are actual usernames we have banned). What part of this are you stuck on?

The part where you, just moments ago, said you did not have specific rules on this. It's hard to say that I am stuck on any part when you contradict yourself comment to comment.

You gave examples which were not analogous to 1488, which, stands for the 14 words and either Hail Hitler or the 88 Precepts. Which is why I specifically asked about those things. There is plenty of wiggle room within those referenced concepts to allow for more charitable interpretation.

In reply to this you said there were no specific rules on this type of stuff. Now you are saying there are specific rules and that those rules are 1488 = banned when talking about crypto. Whilst, pending clarification, 'SuckItWhitey' is "probably" not allowed "if" they being racist against white people. Who knows if they just talk about crypto and AI all day.

The part where you, just moments ago, said you did not have specific rules on this. It's hard to say that I am stuck on any part when you contradict yourself comment to comment.

You are inventing contradictions by changing words. I said we do not have explicit rules. That doesn't mean we have no rules.

In reply to this you said there were no specific rules on this type of stuff. Now you are saying there are specific rules and that those rules are 1488 = banned when talking about crypto

I said nothing about crypto. If someone puts 1488 in their username we're not going to ask them "Do you mean that in a crypto way or a Nazi way?" and then allow it if it's the former and ban it if it's the latter. Let's be serious now.

We do not have written down anywhere a list of words you can't use in your username. For instance, we do not have a list that says "SuckItWhitey" is banned, nor do we have a list of various banned slurs. We whack 'em when we see them, and if we have any doubts about something, we discuss it amongst ourselves. We apply the same general rule we apply to posts (if you couldn't say it in a post, you probably can't say it in a username).

We are not going to try to enumerate every offensive or inflammatory username someone might come up with. Codifying it like that just invites people to try to game the rules and then squawk indignantly that we didn't explicitly say that you can't phonetically transliterate "I Hate Jews" in Cyrillic or whatever.

We do our honest best to be consistent while using our subjective judgment. This is how we have always modded. The rules are a general rubrik, not a binding contract.

Now, let's be honest, my dude. You're upset because you want to let your Nazifreak flag fly and you're being reminded that this is not an "anything goes" zone just because we give a very wide latitude to freedom of expression. That wide latitude doesn't mean pretending that each and every viewpoint in treated as exactly equal and morally neutral, and if you would like to read that as "The mod team is not particularly sympathetic to Nazis," you're right. We actually had a mod discussion about what we'd do if someone posted outright "I'm a Nazi and Hitler did nothing wrong," and honestly I'm not sure we came to a unanimous consensus. We allow people to advocate white nationalism and Holocaust denial, as you are well aware. But if your disgruntlement here is that we're not inclined to let Nazis make themselves comfortable here, even if we don't instaban them, continue to be disgruntled.

You said you had no explicit rules and then you said you did. You are just floundering around the definition of explicit as if mod rulings aren't rules.

I said nothing about crypto.

That's correct, I said something about crypto since the person getting modded was commenting on crypto and not Hitler or white nationalism.

If someone puts 1488 in their username we're not going to ask them "Do you mean that in a crypto way or a Nazi way?" and then allow it if it's the former and ban it if it's the latter. Let's be serious now.

The example you gave about 'SuckItWhitey' came with the caveat that "if" the person was being racist against whites then they would "probably" get modded. If the caveat was not important or at all relevant, why add it?

We apply the same general rule we apply to posts (if you couldn't say it in a post, you probably can't say it in a username).

Which is why I explicitly asked about 1488 and its connotations and noted that there was wiggle room there.

We are not going to try to enumerate every offensive or inflammatory username someone might come up with. Codifying it like that just invites people to try to game the rules and then squawk indignantly that we didn't explicitly say that you can't phonetically transliterate "I Hate Jews" in Cyrillic or whatever.

No one asked you to.

Now, let's be honest, my dude. You're upset because you want to let your Nazifreak flag fly and you're being reminded that this is not an "anything goes" zone just because we give a very wide latitude to freedom of expression. That wide latitude doesn't mean pretending that each and every viewpoint in treated as exactly equal and morally neutral, and if you would like to read that as "The mod team is not particularly sympathetic to Nazis," you're right. We actually had a mod discussion about what we'd do if someone posted outright "I'm a Nazi and Hitler did nothing wrong," and honestly I'm not sure we came to a unanimous consensus. We allow people to advocate white nationalism and Holocaust denial, as you are well aware. But if your disgruntlement here is that we're not inclined to let Nazis make themselves comfortable here, even if we don't instaban them, continue to be disgruntled.

I'm not disgruntled, I'm content with you admitting the point I was making.

You said you had no explicit rules and then you said you did.

This is false.

The example you gave about 'SuckItWhitey' came with the caveat that "if" the person was being racist against whites then they would "probably" get modded. If the caveat was not important or at all relevant, why add it?

I made no such caveat. I didn't say SuckItWhitey would be disallowed "if" it was racist and allowed if somehow we decided it wasn't.

This is typical of your argumentation. Trying to subtly reword what was said and claiming a different statement was made than what you were very plainly told.

I'm not disgruntled, I'm content with you admitting the point I was making.

A pity that you must remain discontent, then.

1488 is code. Or the last four digits of my parents' old phone number, those Nazis.

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