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felipec  unbelief  2yr ago (felipec.substack.com)   3599 thread views

2+2 = not what you think

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Changing someone's mind is very difficult, that's why I like puzzles most people get wrong: to try to open their mind. Challenging the claim that 2+2 is unequivocally 4 is one of my favorites to get people to reconsider what they think is true with 100% certainty.

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Only because 4=0.

So 2+2=4=0="not what you think". Therefore the claim of my post is true.

But 0 is what we think, because 0 is 4. You're just changing the representation. It's like saying "You think 2+2 is '4', but it's actually 'four'".

Also, the claim in your post was

So there you have it: 2+2 is not necessarily 4.

which is wrong whether or not 2+2=0 can be true.

But 0 is what we think, because 0 is 4.

Nobody thinks that 0 is 4.

Nevertheless it is the case. We think 4, 4 is 0, therefore "0=not what you think" isn't true.

"You" are less than 0.0001% of the population, so virtually nobody.

Did you just claim less than 0.0001% of people think 2+2=4?

4 is what everyone thinks, 0 is merely a different representation of the same object. So people are giving the correct answer, you're just insisting on a different formulation.

Did you just claim less than 0.0001% of people think 2+2=4?

No. That less than 0.0001% of people think 2+2=0?

Then explain how that's supposed to be a response to my point, please.

My point being that in Z/4Z, 2+2=0 and 2+2=4 are the same statement. Ergo, 2+2=0 is merely another way to write down what we think. We might not literally think it, but we are thinking an equivalent statement.

My point being that in Z/4Z, 2+2=0 and 2+2=4 are the same statement.

Which most people do not understand. Most people don't know what Z/4Z is, and most people don't know there exists more than one arithmetic.

You are ignoring my point that most people don't know that integers modulo n exist.

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