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Transnational Thursday for March 13, 2025

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So, now we know they lied - which we knew for a long time - and now we have an undeniable proof they lied. The question is - will there be an consequences at all, or the society would just say "well, oops, tough cookies, nothing to do about it" and move on, to the next Big Lie, and the next one after that?

I am not very optimistic about that - even in the US, while Trump was elected, I don't see the society en masse realigning enough to deliver real consequences to the liars. The folks on the right who hated them on principle, still hate them. The folks on the left who defended them on principle, still do. The middle-ground folks are largely eager to forget everything and move on - and to believe The Experts the same way next time, because how can you not believe The Experts - are you one of those awful Science Deniers that The Experts warned us about?! And that's the US, where some degree of irreverence to the establishment has always been a virtue. In Europe, I don't have any hope at all for any change at all.

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