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All Ridley Scott movies are deemed hack-work crap when they first come out. Then 10 years after that they are pretty solid overlooked diamonds in the rough. Ten or twenty years after that they are modern classics. I suspect that will happen to Napoleon and the others.
Gladiator was the second highest grossing film of 2000 and was nominated for 12 Oscars and won 5 including best picture and best actor. That's not hack worthy crap by any means.
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Simply incorrect.
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True but with huge caveats. Sometimes it isn't really the same movie that's being reexamined; the movie is "better" because Scott released a new cut that people preferred. Kingdom of Heaven is a very notorious example, probably Blade Runner too, though I think it was vastly better received than KoH.
Movies like Exodus haven't become better received in time. Prometheus and Alien: Covenant are still highly divisive (depending on where you stand Prometheus may have aged worse because of what Alien: Covenant did to its dangling plot threads).
Movies like Gladiator and American Gangster were well received at the time.
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I recall Gladiator was fairly well-received when it came out. I mean it got five Oscars including for best pic.
Napoleon was crap.
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