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Okay, just saw this on twitter https://twitter.com/somebadideas/status/1588876465915166721
"A huge problem with spam and bots and trolls"
"Verified users will pretty much always be at the top of comments and search ... You’ll have to scroll really far to see unverified users"
that would really suck! Compare that to the 4chan or rdrama ethos, right? Baby, bathwater
full 1hr conversation - https://youtube.com/watch?v=WgQBTo0EUxA
the early part is about tesla and is a great read (although not a great listen, really hate the talk/podcast format vs reading)
Other transcript excerpts (heavily edited for brevity, a solid 1/2 to 2/3 of words removed per excerpt, the voice format just sucks)
That might work
On the verified change -
Can't tell if 'hateful conduct' was just thrown in there to sound good (the guy he was talking to asked about antisemitism) because there aren't "100k hate speech bots" but if not, the 8/mo thing reducing 'hateful conduct' is not great
I think this is a sign that content rules won't loosen too much, not sure though.
the comment about x.com vision clashing with the twitter vision?
when asked why invest in tesla vs much cheaper p/e car companies making EVs: "many times I've recommended people don't invest in Tesla and I've said our stock is too high but when people just ignore me and keep buying the stock some reason [...] at a very high level I'd say that autonomy is an insanely fundamental breakthrough and and no one is even close to Tesla for solving generalized autonomy or generalized self-driving Vehicles"
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