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Culture War Roundup for the week of October 17, 2022

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Alex Jones could have been Alex Jones and made up a different lie that didn't implicate random strangers as adversaries in some grand conspiracy. For example, he could have said that Adam Lanza was CIA.

Which would still be irrelevant to the question as to why he got slapped with a trillion and not others.

Many many cases go to court every day, so I'm not sure what you're saying here. Jones clowned in court, and if you do that, all bets are off.

Really? There are that many trillion dollar bills flying around the justice system?

I have difficulty imagining a more ghoulish use of a radio show than to slander the mourning parents of slain children.

I didn't specify radio shows. I said any instance of abuse or harm. Can you not think of any worse ones, more deserving of a trillion dollars in damages, than what Alex Jones did?

I suspect that someone saying 'Cops are liars, none of them died in 9/11, they're just trying to take away our right to brandish box cutters on airlines' they'd be in shit just as deep.

Why would you suspect that? Has that ever happened? I mean, when was the last time anyone got into shit a trillion dollar deep?

In my ideal world we'd discourage that type of thing, yes.

But we would not discourage group slandering, even though it leads to the exact same result? I don't understand the distinction you are trying to make. What if someone started killing members of the CIA because Alex Jones said Adam Lanza was a member of the CIA? Would that not, by your standard, be the fault of Alex Jones?

We live in the age of untouchable useful idiots who can be used for plausible deniability. In days past, people were more direct, and law enforcement got good at nailing organized crime. So now we have this: distributed crime with no explicit orders and all relationships are parasocial.

I don't understand the relevance of this. Nor do I understand the conflation of Alex Jones and InfoWars with organized crime.

Which would still be irrelevant to the question as to why he got slapped with a trillion and not others.

Same reason Amber Heard got slapped with the judgment she did, despite the entire media apparatus and even many lawyers (for purely legal reasons, unlike the media) stating she would win: he behaved badly enough to be sued, put up a poor defense, was found guilty of egregious behavior and punished.

Are we going to argue that Amber Heard was an enemy of...there's really no name for it that doesn't sound conspiratorial... The cancellation machine wielded by the Left tribe?

Kevin Spacey, one of the original villains of MeToo, just won his court case against the accuser that torched his entire career. Are we going to argue that he's a favorite of the Left-tribe cancellation machine?

People will sue you for anything, to try to destroy you, but that doesn't mean that some people actually haven't put themselves into a position to face destruction as decided by a reasonable or at least median juror or judge.

EDIT: To use an example: Gawker was rightly destroyed due to their (hypocritical) behavior when they got Hulk Hogan's sex tape. Like many unwary internet people, they fucked around with real world consequences and found out. However in that case, unlike these ones, we know for sure that Hogan had a benefactor who had his own beef with Gawker. But I don't think anyone here thinks that that means that Gawker was destined to lose because Thiel skewed the trial. No. They made an enemy so he pursued them into the legal system. He won because Gawker was seen (rightly) as behaving egregiously.

Those would all be relevant arguments if we were talking about purely win/lose consequence. But we're not. We are talking about trillions vs slaps on the wrist.

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