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Culture War Roundup for the week of October 17, 2022

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no consulting the family of the victims

another blatant lie, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucha_massacre :

Businessman and former 2004 Ukrainian presidential election candidate Oleksandr Rzhavskyy was killed in Bucha at his estate. Rzhavskyy was previously noted to be a pro-Russian politician, criticized the post-2014 Ukrainian government and praised Vladimir Putin. According to his daughter, he had been abducted twice by Russian soldiers at his estate who had demanded a ransom, and during a drunken binge, the Russian soldiers shot him dead.

An extraordinarily convenient line for the death of a pro-Russian politician. I love the idea of Russia being fine with soldiers killing influential pro-Russian politicians in key areas.

This is fake too, I imagine: https://youtube.com/watch?v=0gip7ibW_5Q

I love the idea of Russia being fine with soldiers killing influential pro-Russian politicians in key areas.

I am not claiming that Russian invasion was competent.

This is fake too, I imagine: https://youtube.com/watch?v=0gip7ibW_5Q

Ja niponimaju.

No idea what it is, I do not speak Russian. And RT branding and tiny account and that you posted it does not encourage me to spend time on it.

I don’t think anything would encourage you to spend time on a Russian-sourced claim.

As evidence for Bucha, you provide me with (1) the death of a prominent Russian-aligned politician whose son was murdered in 2018, (2) whom Russia was in contact with encouraging to flee Bucha, and (3) who we are to believe was killed by a random violent drunk Russian soldier, even though with certainty he would have had communication with the officers.

I am… not going to believe that.

I don’t think anything would encourage you to spend time on a Russian-sourced claim.

Oh, I am doing this. I admit that I am limiting it primarily to "oh look what silly thing they are putting as an official claim" and to confirm things bad for them.

But well sourced claims also would be convincing, especially takedowns of Ukrainian lies. I am pretty sure that I become aware of Ukrainian official accounts posting game screenshots as real from such source (but it could be also Oryx retweeting them).

And I believed them as they provided an actual evidence.

I also spend some noticeable time on reading what Putin wrote (that blabbing how Ukraine is fake nation and so on). And self-published reports from Russians.

And treating RT with deep suspicion is well-warranted.

I am… not going to believe that.

Yes, Red Army occupation tends to include pro-russian people getting killed by a random violent drunk Russian soldier.

In similar way how German Third Reich managed to convince people that USSR occupation is preferable (and similarly, how in some areas Gestapo managed to become preferable to NKVD). Both sides put massive effort on self-sabotage.

Going back to ongoing situation. Armies have loooooooong history of murdering random people. In fact, it is really impressive when such murders are non-existent or extremely rare. Which seems to be standard reached by Ukrainian army, but not Russian.

And obviously I am not trying to convince you, but other people reading this (and to have pretext to read more about this topics).

Given that you claim that Zelensky never visited Bucha and that all photos and videos from there are CGI I am not expecting to be able to convince you. In the same way as sometimes I may engage in discussion with flat-earther (or person running false-fag trolling).

Given that you claim that Zelensky never visited Bucha and that all photos and videos from there are CGI

No one claimed this

No one claimed this shill

You claimed this in https://www.themotte.org/post/133/culture-war-roundup-for-the-week/19694?context=8#context with

Well of course. I look at it, and it looks like a green screen to me.

in response to

Not really. See say this and that - to fake that you would need massive CGI support and ridiculously sized conspiracy.

Though maybe you claimed that Zelensky was CGIed, while other photos were not? Then lets clarify it to

Given that you claim that Zelensky never visited Bucha and that all photos and videos of Zelensky from there are CGI I am not expecting to be able to convince you. In the same way as sometimes I may engage in discussion with flat-earther (or person running false-fag trolling).

There are clearly videos of Zelensky around kyiv and Bucha. the question is whether he spends most of his time in kyiv, or Ukraine. Bucha in particular occurred during peace talks in Turkey.

I am going to make a separate OP post providing evidence he uses a green screen maybe sometime this week, and I hope to hear your reply in that thread

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