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Culture War Roundup for the week of November 18, 2024

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The Arabs still have many homelands and there was no distinct Palestinian identity before Israeli independence.

That argument isn't going to convince Arabs, it isn't meant for the jewish population. It is an argument for Europeans meant to justify a massive refugee crisis on Europe's doorstep. The arab states have absolutely no reason in aiding a mass ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. For us in Europe we have zero reason to want to see millions of arabs move. Even if it is to other arab states it is still a disaster as it is destabilizing.

Israel has not only been involved in plenty of wars that has ended up with migrants in Europe. The ADL and plenty of other jewish groups have been pushing hard for mass migration into Europe.

So if not living in your own ethnostate makes it perfectly fine to evict people there is no problem if the rest of the world forcefully evicts all jews?

So it would have been completely fine to ethnically cleanse all Finns and Estonians pre 1918 as they had never had a state? Basques have never had an ethnostate so are they free game?

The ADL

The American ADL has been pushing for .. mass migration into Europe? I don't like it at all, but that seems rather far from its notional remit.

Thanks. I mostly know them for getting people to kiss the ring on TV...typically after saying something critical of Israel or more rarely, Jews.

I wonder how many people read that .. it's an exercise in tedium that in the end amounts to basically nothing except "you must censor people" and "pass hate crime laws" and doesn't even try to explain how low or no immigration is bad.

Absolutely. They have put enormous pressure on social media companies. They have also helped many pro migration NGO:s.

On top of that there are several other lobbying groups that have pushed hard for mass immigration.

Do you have some concrete evidence that they put the thumb on the scale about European migration? It would be a bit surprising to see, since one would think the opportunity cost of not investing that money in the American political market would matter more for them.

The overwhelming impact they have had on social media has absolutely played a major role. They have also sponsored multiple NGOs in Europe.

Which ones? Can you provide some concrete data of that and relevant pressure on social media companies?

*Here is an article about the ADL pressuring social media to stop criticism of its agenda.

*Here is an ADL press release with policy recommendations to criminalize opposition to mass migration to Europe, reacting to Lauren Southern's documentary about the NGO-run Libya to Italy boat migration route.

*Here is a more detailed look at the human-smuggling NGOs ferrying migrants from Libya to Italy.

*Here is an animation made from the ship tracking data of the NGO boats in question.

*Here is an ADL press release from 2015 condemning the rise of anti-migrant sentiment in Europe.

*Here is the ADL's propaganda packet made for high school teachers focused on pushing the youth to see migrants to Europe sympathetically using that viral photo of the drowned boy on the beach in Turkey.

*Here is an article from the Daily Forward about the Zionists of America criticizing the ADL for fighting anti-refugee activism in Europe because the mass migration of muslims into Europe was causing increased antisemitism.

I hope this infodump is enough to convince you.

Thanks for the links, but there doesn't seem to be anything in there about the ADL helping or sponsoring European NGOs, as far as I can tell...? The picture that these seem to paint is that Europe has active pro-immigration NGOs, and the ADL independently has made some noises saying that immigration into Europe is good, for which some of their intra-American allies have criticised them.

Even the last article is just opining about a falling-out between the ADL and American pro-Israel orgs, seemingly in the context of the ADL also supporting American pro-Palestine activism; the only mention of "Europe" is some throwaway remark that seems based on an assumption that making the US more welcoming to the pro-Palestine position would harm the Jews in the US in the same way in which similar positions are harming them in Europe - surely if they believed that the European situation were a consequence of ADL activity, they would not choose this wording:

“The ADL should be fighting anti-Semites and Israel-haters, not helping to bring them to America to join the anti-Israel lobby,” Klein said. “Does the ADL enjoy seeing horrific Muslim activities in Europe against women and others?”