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naraburns  nihil supernum  17d ago (text post)   26885 thread views

U.S. Election (Day?) 2024 Megathread

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I really hope it's one of those two and not some Trump spawn.

But while either RDS or Vance would be a dream President, I do worry about electability. Trump is sui generis.

Agreed, I'm not a fan of political dynasty.

I really like Vance. His interview with Rogan showed that we think incredibly similarly on many cultural issues, almost to the word. Honestly, I think he will be an even stronger contender in 2028 than Trump was, especially if he gets down in the mud and actually does things as VP.

I really like Vance. His interview with Rogan showed that we think incredibly similarly on many cultural issues, almost to the word.

Vance cites Scott and shares the worldview and politics of the average user of this forum (and, even if he isn’t here, I really wouldn’t be surprised if he’d been sent a motte link or two in his time); he is closer to The Mottizen than at least 99% of the rest of the American population.

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