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Lazuli 2d ago (text post) 115 thread views

Weekly NFL Thread: Week 10

Let's chat about the National Football League. This week's schedule (all times Eastern):

Thu 2024-11-07 8:15PM Cincinnati Bengals@ Baltimore Ravens
Sun 2024-11-10 9:30AM New York Giants@ Carolina Panthers
Sun 2024-11-10 1:00PM Atlanta Falcons@ New Orleans Saints
Sun 2024-11-10 1:00PM Buffalo Bills@ Indianapolis Colts
Sun 2024-11-10 1:00PM Denver Broncos@ Kansas City Chiefs
Sun 2024-11-10 1:00PM Minnesota Vikings@ Jacksonville Jaguars
Sun 2024-11-10 1:00PM New England Patriots@ Chicago Bears
Sun 2024-11-10 1:00PM Pittsburgh Steelers@ Washington Commanders
Sun 2024-11-10 1:00PM San Francisco 49ers@ Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Sun 2024-11-10 4:05PM Tennessee Titans@ Los Angeles Chargers
Sun 2024-11-10 4:25PM New York Jets@ Arizona Cardinals
Sun 2024-11-10 4:25PM Philadelphia Eagles@ Dallas Cowboys
Sun 2024-11-10 8:20PM Detroit Lions@ Houston Texans
Mon 2024-11-11 8:15PM Miami Dolphins@ Los Angeles Rams

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Lazuli 1d ago

Great play. The Patriots' last-minute touchdown to tie its game against the Titans exhilarating. Unfortunately, that was the last good play The Pats had and eventually lost the game.

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What is this place?

This website is a place for people who want to move past shady thinking and test their ideas in a court of people who don't all share the same biases. Our goal is to optimize for light, not heat; this is a group effort, and all commentators are asked to do their part.

The weekly Culture War threads host the most controversial topics and are the most visible aspect of The Motte. However, many other topics are appropriate here. We encourage people to post anything related to science, politics, or philosophy; if in doubt, post!

Check out The Vault for an archive of old quality posts. You are encouraged to crosspost these elsewhere.

Why are you called The Motte?

A motte is a stone keep on a raised earthwork common in early medieval fortifications. More pertinently, it's an element in a rhetorical move called a "Motte-and-Bailey", originally identified by philosopher Nicholas Shackel. It describes the tendency in discourse for people to move from a controversial but high value claim to a defensible but less exciting one upon any resistance to the former. He likens this to the medieval fortification, where a desirable land (the bailey) is abandoned when in danger for the more easily defended motte. In Shackel's words, "The Motte represents the defensible but undesired propositions to which one retreats when hard pressed."

On The Motte, always attempt to remain inside your defensible territory, even if you are not being pressed.

New post guidelines

If you're posting something that isn't related to the culture war, we encourage you to post a thread for it. A submission statement is highly appreciated, but isn't necessary for text posts or links to largely-text posts such as blogs or news articles; if we're unsure of the value of your post, we might remove it until you add a submission statement. A submission statement is required for non-text sources (videos, podcasts, images).

Culture war posts go in the culture war thread; all links must either include a submission statement or significant commentary. Bare links without those will be removed.

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