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Does anyone know of any community involvement clubs/organizations similar to things like the Lions Club, but much cheaper to belong to?

Edit: also, does anyone know how much volunteer work a disabled person can do before Social Security decides your ability to do so means you're able to (do paid) work and stops your benefits (which I've been advised recently is a thing that indeed happens)?

Google gave me the below link to a law firm specializing in Disability Law.

Social Security does not have any clear guidelines to distinguish what types of volunteer work are considered SGA (Substantial Gainful Activity), but some circumstances are likely to convince the SSA that a person is capable of working a full-time job:

  • Volunteering more than a few hours per week
  • Volunteer work that would earn above SGA if the person was paid for the work
  • The requirements of the work indicate the person could work at SGA level or return to their previous job
  • Volunteering at a business owned by a relative

https://www.brrlaw.com/volunteer-work-and-disability-benefits/#:~:text=If%20you%20volunteer%20and%20receive,and%20terminate%20your%20disability%20benefits.

So a volunteer activity like "No One Dies Alone", where you're basically just sitting in hospital rooms for a few hours a week, should be totally fine.

Those service clubs vary greatly between local chapters. My local Lions Club is not expensive at all to join, but some locals are - often, that's because they are primarily networking clubs for businesses that also do charity on the side. And those networking-heavy chapters kind of want to keep the rabble out.

If your local Lions are expensive, you can check if one of the other "classics" is somewhere near you: Rotary, Kiwanis, Zonta (female only), Soroptimist (female only), Round Table (male, under 40).

My local Lions Club is not expensive at all to join

"Expensive" is relative. My local Lions Club here in Anchorage appears to be pretty average in its fees… but that's still outside my price range, given my poverty.

To put it more clearly, $40/mo. is outside my price range.

Rotary

From their webpage: "Clubs accept new members by invitation" from a current member, and among the many membership requirements include having "A professional, proprietary, executive, managerial, or community position." I'm a jobless welfare parasite.

Kiwanis

It appears to indeed be cheaper in terms of membership dues; however, looking at the application, it's another one where you need to be sponsored by an existing member. (Plus, the local club here in Anchorage meets via Zoom, which my internet quality isn't up to supporting.)

Zonta (female only), Soroptimist (female only)

I'm male, so those are out.

Round Table

Invite only; there doesn't appear to be a local club, and I'm too old (I'm in my 40s).

Thanks for answering, at least, but it looks like I'm just out of luck.

All those traditional service clubs are invite only, and so is every Lion's local I know. They are all very similar in vibe.

Joining on your own initiative (as opposed to being surprised by an invitation) is more of a serious long-term project for all of them, unless your local chapter is very young and small. Basically, you make contact with them and then work with them on a few projects - usually from a position where you can give them something they need. And speaking of serious: once you join, being a member is often also a pretty serious project. All clubs I know meet several times a month, and attending meetings is really not optional. If you don't come, you'll be missed, and you need to excuse yourself. If the club is doing a project, participating is not really optional. The club needs to be a very high priority, always.

But there are other options. If you want to do service, you can also look at Red Cross, Goodwill, your local food bank, shelters, or which churches do services beyond fund raising. Hospitals and nursing homes often also have volunteers doing service work.

Thanks some more. So, I hope that this is enough so that, the next time /u/hydroacetylene tells me to "join a community org(lions club is always recruiting)," I can point him to all this and tell him to shove it.

There are probably regional differences at work here. Until reading this thread, I’d never heard of a Lions club that charges extortionate dues or has exclusive rules about membership. Certainly the ones in my area will take just about anyone, even though in practice the members tend to be almost all retirees these days.

The Rotary Club, by contrast, have always been exclusively for professionals, as are usually all of the Masonic organizations.

If you’re just looking to volunteer and connect with people that way, what about any local soup kitchens or food banks?

I’d never heard of a Lions club that charges extortionate dues

What do you define as "extortionate"? The problem is that what most people would consider perfectly affordable dues are outside my price range. It's the same thing as with gym memberships, or any other of things people recommend to me on the assumption that anyone who lives in America and can get online can spare an extra $30~$40 a month for something.

If you’re just looking to volunteer and connect with people that way

Well, the original context was more about politics: that if I want "socially conservative institutions and communities, go and join them" (as opposed to waiting for a Caesar).

The two local organizations I am part of have dues of $20 and $45 annually. I wouldn’t remain a member of either if they charged that amount monthly. I believe the local Lions clubs have annual dues that are in a similar price range, though I don’t know the exact figure.

join a community org(lions club is always recruiting)

In general, good advice.

His experience with Lions might vary. Depending on his location and especially age (my local Lions' youth org is much, much more open), his club might truly always be looking for people who just show up and do the work.

In general, good advice.

In general, but not for me. I asked this question elsewhere, and the answers I got were more invite-only organizations, most of which bar atheists.

Basically, it's what I already know — I'm just subhuman scum, Lebensunwertes Leben, and no club would ever want me as a member.

no club would ever want me as a member

Objectively false. Concluding this from a quick look at a small section of some of the most traditional and elitist clubs is a bad idea.

A single, quick google search shows me that Providence Alaska Medical Center in Anchorage has a "No One Dies Alone" program. They are looking for volunteers. Maybe this would be a better start, and offer some opportunity to meditate on what kind of life is lebensunwert.

If their volunteer requirements are also to stringent (hospitals usually require no criminal history because of the kids, and vaccines because of, well, all the sick people), just go help out at a food bank. They won't care about either.

Objectively false. Concluding this from a quick look at a small section of some of the most traditional and elitist clubs is a bad idea.

Okay, so amend it to "no club worth joining" then. The original context that prompted me to ask this was /u/hydroacetylene saying to me "[i]f you want socially conservative institutions and communities, go and join them," and to "join a community org(lions club is always recruiting)"

So, the point is finding "a community org" within the class of "socially conservative institutions and communities" that's accessible to a poor, disabled, far-right atheist like me… in Anchorage.

Providence Alaska Medical Center in Anchorage has a "No One Dies Alone" program.

From the hospital's volunteer page's list of requirements:

• Commit to volunteering for at least six months, fulfilling an assigned two- to four-hour shift each week

• Serve a minimum of 100 hours

This seems like exactly the sort of regular, scheduled volunteer work that gets Social Security deciding you can hold down a job and aren't really disabled.

just go help out at a food bank.

Our food bank hasn't been doing so well lately with regards to supplies, and from what I've seen, has been scaling back their operations. I say this as someone who, until recent schedule changes, was a frequent recipient of their help.

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What's your disability? You really can't do anything for money? Where are your parents? Your siblings?

Why Anchorage?

What's your disability?

Schizophrenia, autism, depression.

You really can't do anything for money?

The local Division of Vocational Rehabilitation basically ruled me unemployable; and the "welfare trap" around SSI is rather steep.

Where are your parents? Your siblings?

All here in Anchorage.

Why Anchorage?

See above. Born here, raised here (aside from some time out in rural AK, and college in SoCal). Family is here, friends are here, my entire personal support network is here.

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