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The interesting question is if you even need that if everybody has 180 IQ. I propose they would quickly notice their peer's increased intelligence, and then immediately all collectively adopt the Schelling point of "corruption ruins everything for everybody, let's just not do this".
Maybe not as a Schelling point, but at least via mechanism design? I fear there may be no level of intelligence at which everyone independently adopts pro-social individual values because the is-ought problem turned out to not be a thing, but there probably is a level of intelligence at which the creation and support of large-scale anti-corruption institutions is easy enough that corruption simply no longer pays off.
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Tiffany Henyard-style corruption will probably die down. It's just too fucking stupid.
Enron corruption on the other hand...
I suppose the "don't want to move away" stipulation will muddy the waters a lot. A lot of Third World corruption is precisely because people want to buy a lifeboat for themselves and their family in the West. Which makes it a more rational decision than American Henyardism even though it's equally brazen and destructive. But these people don't have that outlet so they'd likely be less corrupt and you can't really attribute it to intelligence.
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