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Culture War Roundup for the week of September 30, 2024

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Couldn't agree more. And I might be unfair to @KMC, but @ymeskhout did a pretty good job attempting (and in my recollection, succeeding) to dismantle quite a few of the fraud claims to a degree I am not able to reproduce here. It just irks me when people put forth a hugely controversial claim that has been discussed ad nauseam on this forum and pretend it's an obvious matter of fact. This is a debate forum, debates should have consequences. If we all just go back to our previous claims as if nothing happened, what's the point? It just means the most stubborn win out, as opposed to those with better arguments. It's sadly a strategy some posters here employed to great effect, including our resident "revisionist".

To be clear, that last bit isn't directed at KMC. It's just something that annoyed me for a while now and I might be unfairly projecting my grievances onto him.

It just means the most stubborn win out, as opposed to those with better arguments.

Yes, that's how I feel about people declaring 2020 as the most secure election ever, and saying that people who question it are not fit to hold office. My stubbornness is a reflection and response, as well as my own nature.

Cards on the table, the next two most obviously stolen elections I know of are 2004 (the other one in my lifetime) and 1960.

Our elections are insecure. The Democrats appear to have benefited from that insecurity, and are obviously preventing necessary and reasonable methods to increase security. Until there is some contrition from the left, and concessions on election security, I will continue to be stubborn, and continue to insist it was obviously stolen, if to no other purpose than to remind people that it is not settled and there is no consensus.

Caesar's wife must be above suspicion.

How was the 2004 election stolen by the Democrats?

I never said it was stolen by the Democrats.

It was the Ohio electronic voting machines that stole it for Bush.

Ah, given your repeated emphasis on how democrats need to apologize, I interpreted you as meaning they stole that one too

Yes, that's how I feel about people declaring 2020 as the most secure election ever, and saying that people who question it are not fit to hold office.

None of those people are on this forum.

Caesar's wife must be above suspicion.

Sure, but that's different from claiming that Publius obviously fucked her.

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