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Culture War Roundup for the week of September 16, 2024

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South Africa was not facing existential threat from invading armies.

The Boer who have lived there for 400 years are effectively second class citizens.

France was not facing existential threat from invading armies.

They lost a part of France with a million ethnic French people that had been French for over a century.

Israel doesn't need (or use) nukes to subjugate a population. It can use nukes to mitigate existential threat from invading armies.

There won't be any, it will be death by a thousand cuts.

Unlike Rhodesia, the Israelis have nukes that can be used to mitigate existential threats from invading armies.

There was no vast army of tanks that rolled into Rhodesia. Rhodesia fell because it was being hit constantly by endless insurgency.

Israel is not an apartheid state in which a minority is attempting to rule over a much larger majority that dominates the demographics of the interior of the state

Over two million Palestinian citizens. Also much of Israel is within range of being engaged by Palestine. Even Houthis have hit Israel twice from 2000 km away. Thinking that Israel can just ignore a large group of people 10s of km away is naive.

sufficient strategic depth

West bank to the sea is 20+ km. That is minimal strategic depth.

which were not MAD contexts.

Israel isn't going to nuclearly destroy the west bank.

The Boer who have lived there for 400 years are effectively second class citizens.

And yet still exist, and were not facing existential risk from invading armies.

They lost a part of France with a million ethnic French people that had been French for over a century.

And yet still exist, and were not facing existential risk from invading armies.

There won't be any, it will be death by a thousand cuts.

States don't face existential threat from a thousand cuts.

When overwhelming damage approaches existential threats, the polities responsible remain vulnerable to nuclear weapons.

There was no vast army of tanks that rolled into Rhodesia. Rhodesia fell because it was being hit constantly by endless insurgency.

Supported by states that would have been vulnerable to nuclear weapons.

Over two million Palestinian citizens.

The ethnic Arab citizens of Israel are neither Palestinians in the political sense of the Palestinian movement, nor are they an occupied or suppressed majority population.

Also much of Israel is within range of being engaged by Palestine. Even Houthis have hit Israel twice from 2000 km away. Thinking that Israel can just ignore a large group of people 10s of km away is naive.

Being 10s of kms outside the state is still outside the state, which continues to invalidate your attempted analogies to African majority-suppression states contexts.

West bank to the sea is 20+ km. That is minimal strategic depth.

Minimal is not a rebuttal of sufficient.

Israel isn't going to nuclearly destroy the west bank.

Why not, if the alternative is existential end? What's the punishment supposed to be- death?

Nor does that change that the Crusades were not a MAD context.

And yet still exist, and were not facing existential risk from invading armies.

Israel could probably get a peacedeal with Hamas under the conditions the Boer were forced to accept. A large portion of white south africans were forced to leave.

States don't face existential threat from a thousand cuts.

Yes, that is what happened to Rhodesia and South Africa. It simply becomes impossible to have a functioning country in a constant state of war. Israel has a larger portion of its population mobilized than Ukraine, is deeply politically divided and is in a deep economic crisis.

Supported by states that would have been vulnerable to nuclear weapons.

Again, Israel isn't going to go nuclear for giving weapons. See Russia's response to Ukraine aid for example.

The ethnic Arab citizens of Israel are neither Palestinians in the political sense of the Palestinian movement, nor are they an occupied or suppressed majority population.

They are second class citizens in their own home.

Being 10s of kms outside the state is still outside the state, which continues to invalidate your attempted analogies to African majority-suppression states contexts.

Having two million people in the state and having the rest next door doesn't help more than gated communities in South Africa.

Why not, if the alternative is existential end?

Moving somewhere else. They are effectively a nomadic homeless people anyway. It is a far better end than having this endless conflict.

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